Is Oscar De La Hoya Rebranding Victor Ortiz

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Youre spot on in your analysis. He definetely has the ingredients to be a huge attraction one day. I definetely dont agree with him quitting against Maidana and I feel like the Josesito incident was a freak accident but he has solid wins against Berto and Lamont (I know they called it a draw).

I wouldnt be surprised if they are lining him up to redeem himself against the winner or loser of Maidana/Lopez, maybe a berto II would bring him back in the mix and possibly fight Khan down the road. I think he has a ton of good fights left in him, hes really young - people forget hes only in his mid 20's, he's still a bit immature but he will be back strong.

Boxing fans are just that, fans and don't know much about the sport. Calling Ortiz "just another fighter" is about as dumb a thing I have read in this place.

Like I said, if you're not one of the top 3 guys, your just a bum.

Ortiz may and may not be something worth investing in, we don't know that yet but that has more to do with Ortiz' state of mind.

We will see because the kid has the talent to be a money earner in this sport and he does make exciting fights.

[boxfan1983]

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I dont know who Ortiz's pr guy is.... But more people need to hire him

So true? We laugh because hes on dancing with the stars but if more boxers went a little more main stream I think itd take boxing to never before seen heights.

[Mr Randy Watson]

he shouldn't try to rebuild ortiz... hes not a young hungry lion anymore

[Mr Randy Watson]

I dont know who Ortiz's pr guy is.... But more people need to hire him

floyd is his pr guy... if he never headbutted him and got ktfo nobody would care about him

[Jack Napier]

he shouldn't try to rebuild ortiz... hes not a young hungry lion anymore

he never was hungry or a lion, just young
he's so young he shouldn't have to get punched, he said so himself :laugh:
and he said it after he quit against a guy he'd dropped a few times

[JuanRakan]

Boxing fans are just that, fans and don't know much about the sport. Calling Ortiz "just another fighter" is about as dumb a thing I have read in this place.

Like I said, if you're not one of the top 3 guys, your just a bum.

Ortiz may and may not be something worth investing in, we don't know that yet but that has more to do with Ortiz' state of mind.

We will see because the kid has the talent to be a money earner in this sport and he does make exciting fights.

Boxing fans are so short-minded. A dude losses a fight or 2 and automatically hes a bum or washed up, etc. If you look at the 147 LB champions (Paulie Malig/Tim Bradley/Devon Alex/Floyd), Ortiz has a shot to beat all of them with the acception of Floyd. He can even beat some of those champs @ 154 Lbs.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Boxing fans are so short-minded. A dude losses a fight or 2 and automatically hes a bum or washed up, etc. If you look at the 147 LB champions (Paulie Malig/Tim Bradley/Devon Alex/Floyd), Ortiz has a shot to beat all of them with the acception of Floyd. He can even beat some of those champs @ 154 Lbs.

I agree and that's one of the major problems with boxing today. Back in the day guys fought multiple times against one another and lost. Yet where still viable in the game.

Nowadays fighters lose once and fans write them off. Again, I don't think Ortiz is an elite fighter but like you said, he can still beat most at 147 and even at 154. i would love to see him vs Khan, Peterson again, maybe even Cotto....there's entertaining fights to be had.

[LeftyLeftHook]

floyd is his pr guy... if he never headbutted him and got ktfo nobody would care about him

This is the truth honestly. Ortiz luckily found a way to parlay the coverage he got from that fight into his own Cologne, modeling gigs, and now Dancing With The Stars.

Amazing that JUST four years ago, Ortiz was being dubbed the next "De La Hoya"

Ortiz has ALWAYS had elite talent. Power in both hands, good chin, but his focus and heart (Outside of the Berto fight) has always been in question. If those two things ever caught up with his talent, he'd be in a different situation.

[GrandpaBernard]

Why wouldn't you keep Ortiz relevant?

He's young, exciting, and good enough to be a gatekeeper

[JuanRakan]

Definetely agree, those matches would be nice! One thing I would say is that I would really like him to train with Robert Garcia. That guy does wonders with brawlers and ortiz needs some more dimensions to his arsenal. he needs to tighten up his defense on the inside to.

Here's my predictions: Ortiz

vs. Josesito II - late TKO or wide UD
vs. Maidana II - UD
vs. berto II - Decision
vs. Khan - KO
vs. Lamont - Decision
vs. Cotto - Tossup

other champs
vs Pauli Malig - def knock him out or brutally beat up
vs. bradley/Alexander - see him squeking decisions in both fights
vs Floyd II - losing a decision but possibly closer than Cotto
vs. Guerrero - winning a decision