Negotiations for Taylor-Wright break down

[MR. V]

just an idea.

Let's not be brain-washed by DiBella's non-stop praise of his champion, i think Taylor's, again, getting more credit than he's earned up to this point.

thats tru thats tru, but what manager wouldnt want more money for his fighter who happend to beat undisputed champion Bernard Hopkins TWICE.thats a huge achievement for any fighter.

[psychopath]

my point is why is HBO only putting up a moderate $5 million for basically "the" top middleweight contest in the division right now?

i think Wright's team is probably asking for too much overall, but kind of like Gomez was saying, if it were me, i wouldn't let my opponent getting "home-field advantage" be the difference in my career without making sure its money in my pocket.

Honestly, whether Wright can beat Taylor or not, it's understandable if Wright wouldn't want it in Little Rock just as much as Taylor wouldn't want the fight in St. Petersburg. Let's not be brain-washed by DiBella's non-stop praise of his champion, i think Taylor's, again, getting more credit than he's earned up to this point.

Bottomline, whether you're pro-Taylor or pro-Wright, we'll now just have to wait and see over the next couple days/weeks how it unfolds and what fight(s) will be made.

Winky is trying to act "primadonna". They are pushing for an immediate fight with the champ and now comes demands. That's just plain crazy.

Otherwise Winky and his team can just wait for the governing body to order the mandatory fight when ever it is feassible. Open up a purse bidding so that we will find out how promoters can come up with the money.

Let's stick to the facts, challengers doesn't make demands to a CHAMP or call the shots in the title fight. Exceptions will be if the challenger is a more established PPV figure and more popular than the champ.

[restless_438]

Let's stick to the facts, challengers doesn't make demands to a CHAMP or call the shots in the title fight. Exceptions will be if the challenger is a more established PPV figure and more popular than the champ.

While Taylor might be a SMALL favorite in who is the more 'drawable' fighter when looking at the general population of boxing fans here in the US, to boxing 'insiders', Winky is just as important in this equation as Taylor is. Wright deserves the shot, and he'll get it.

It's understandable that Taylor should get more of the money since he has the title 'world champion' before his name, but he's not going to get exactly all the perks that a true champion in a division would get, not after claiming the 'world champion' title with two disputed wins, be it any fighter. Those are the facts.

[psychopath]

While Taylor might be a SMALL favorite in who is the more 'drawable' fighter when looking at the general population of boxing fans here in the US, to boxing 'insiders', Winky is just as important in this equation as Taylor is. Wright deserves the shot, and he'll get it.

It's understandable that Taylor should get more of the money since he has the title 'world champion' before his name, but he's not going to get exactly all the perks that a true champion in a division would get, not after claiming the 'world champion' title with two disputed wins, be it any fighter. Those are the facts.

Disputed wins? Don't get lost in HYPE buddy. As I said before, only those who can't accept the end of Bhops ERA is dis*****g it. If that's really disputable as you people are claiming then why don't Bhops demand anothet fight? Why fight RJones. You know buddy deep inside Bhop's heart he knew he lost, and if ever it happens again it's going to be the same result.

And for the sake of arguement irregardless how Taylor got the belt from Bhops, it doesn't give Winky the right to act like a "prima donna" and dictate "when" he will fight Taylor and how much he would receive.

I would love to see this fight happen but if Winky keep playing
"*******", then i'll be happy to see Taylor slam the door in his face. FORGET about the fight. If Taylor won't get full recognition for his belts then what more with Winky whose got nothing? After all it was Winky who is "spoiling the party" not Taylor.

[restless_438]

Disputed wins? Don't get lost in HYPE buddy. As I said before, only those who can't accept the end of Bhops ERA is dis*****g it. If that's really disputable as you people are claiming then why don't Bhops demand anothet fight? Why fight RJones. You know buddy deep inside Bhop's heart he knew he lost, and if ever it happens again it's going to be the same result.

And for the sake of arguement irregardless how Taylor got the belt from Bhops, it doesn't give Winky the right to act like a "prima donna" and dictate "when" he will fight Taylor and how much he would receive.

I would love to see this fight happen but if Winky keep playing
"*******", then i'll be happy to see Taylor slam the door in his face. FORGET about the fight. If Taylor won't get full recognition for his belts then what more with Winky whose got nothing? After all it was Winky who is "spoiling the party" not Taylor.

Lol, yeah, tell me Taylor convincingly won both of those two fights. Tell me there's NO possible way that someone could have the either of those fights going one way or the other, then tell me Jones/Hopkins II would've been the most exciting fight of the year had it not be called off and the winner would've gone on to become champion once more.

If you're going to sit there and disacknowledge everything Wright has done (which is more than Taylor has), then there's no point in arguing with you. Wright has been fighting for years to get to champion status, fighting outside the US and so on, and he shouldn't have to sit back and let some young gun who basically had the title thrown in his lap (essentially thanks to HBO, a company that looks for marketablity=$$$ like Hyenas look for dinner), stop him. It's becoming apparent that you're just a Taylor fan that doesn' want to see his fighter take a loss so quickly in his illustrious career.

People act like it's Taylor and Wright doing the negotiating. If you're gonna blame someone, blame Shaw and DiBella, not Wright, both are doing whatever they can to protect their own fighters, respectively, and put money in their own pockets.

[psychopath]

Lol, yeah, tell me Taylor convincingly won both of those two fights. Tell me there's NO possible way that someone could have the either of those fights going one way or the other, then tell me Jones/Hopkins II would've been the most exciting fight of the year had it not be called off and the winner would've gone on to become champion once more.

If you're going to sit there and disacknowledge everything Wright has done (which is more than Taylor has), then there's no point in arguing with you. Wright has been fighting for years to get to champion status, fighting outside the US and so on, and he shouldn't have to sit back and let some young gun who basically had the title thrown in his lap (essentially thanks to HBO, a company that looks for marketablity=$$$ like Hyenas look for dinner), stop him. It's becoming apparent that you're just a Taylor fan that doesn' want to see his fighter take a loss so quickly in his illustrious career.

People act like it's Taylor and Wright doing the negotiating. If you're gonna blame someone, blame Shaw and DiBella, not Wright, both are doing whatever they can to protect their own fighters, respectively, and put money in their own pockets.

Hey for people who doesn't want to give credit to the fighter, there's gonna be NO accetable explanation. Convincingly? Bhops is a sleek and smart fighter and nobody can dominate him, therefore nobody can win convincingly against the guy. The fact is Taylor beat the guy whom nobody has beaten for a very very long time. And for me that's quite a feat for a young fighter with only 20 plus fights.

Jones/Bhops II would have been the most excitng? Oh common give me a break. In terms of HYPES maybe yes, but in action? It's going to be the most boring fight of the decade.

I'm just a taylor fan? Don't accuse me of something you are not sure off. I like Winky in as much as I want Taylor, Bhops, ZAB, pbf, Gatti, Hatton and many more but I don't HUG anybody's balls. I just call it as I see it logically. I'm not gonna lose sleep if these fighters lose.

Have you seen my first post in this thread? It says Winky and his team. Of course we all know that boxers doesn't do the negotiating that's common sense. My point here is WINKY has all these press releases pushing for an immediate fight for the title, and now that the negotiations is on, they come up with foolish demands. What crap is that?

I'm not disacknowledging that he has fought top fighters and won but at this time Taylor has the belt so he better wake up to his senses and stop the bull**** if he really wants to fight. He cannot dictate what he wants because he is just a challenger, isn't that simple for you to understand.

And take note if this fight doesn't happen because of Winky's ANTICS then, he'll suffer more than Taylor because Taylor has the belt.

[restless_438]

alright this arguing back and forth is going nowhere, you have your points, i have mine, my main point tho is you can't blame Wright for the way negotiating is going, it's not up to him...

i will say this, in the future, you have to catch sarcasm when you read it :

Originally Posted by restless_438
Lol, yeah, tell me Taylor convincingly won both of those two fights. Tell me there's NO possible way that someone could have the either of those fights going one way or the other, then tell me Jones/Hopkins II would've been the most exciting fight of the year had it not be called off and the winner would've gone on to become champion once more.

Jones/Bhops II would have been the most excitng? Oh common give me a break. In terms of HYPES maybe yes, but in action? It's going to be the most boring fight of the decade.

[flipside]

winky should take this fight for even less then whoop taylor's HBObacked ass

[Grimgash]

Restless did they change the spot? I thought it was supposed to be in Memphis not AK. 50% is rediculous, Winky should accept the deal before wasnt it 3-2 ? that seems fair to me. Also I believe HBO wont put up alot of money because Taylor is fighting Winky. No discredit to Winky hes a hell of a fighter, and none to Taylor hes a hell of a fighter but....Winky is very defensive like BHop. Taylor vs BHop was sort of boring, unless your a huge fan of either. Was is Kellerman who said Winky vs Taylor would be the most boring matchup possible? Oh well I hope they fight, and I hope its good, but if they don't I wont lose any sleep.

[restless_438]

alright psychopath, the first bolded part is for you:

Shaw: The fight's off!
January 10, 2006

By Karl Freitag

"Lou DiBella called everybody yesterday and told them that the fight's off, so the fight's off," Gary Shaw, promoter of WBC #1 ranked Winky Wright told *********.com today. "I don't know if there's going to be a purse bid [the WBC has a purse bid scheduled for January 30]. He says he's not going. He said the fight's off. If the fight's off and he's not going, then Jermain Taylor would lose his title."

If Taylor is stripped of his WBC belt, Wright would fight the highest available contender for the vacant title. At the moment WBC #2 is Felix Sturm, but Sturm is slated to challenge Maselino Masoe for the vacant WBA "regular" title. #3 is Kelly Pavlik, Sam Soliman is #4 and Ike Quartey (also promoted by DiBella) is #5. Taylor would still have his WBA super champion title and the WBO belt.

Shaw confirmed that HBO's top offer of $5 million but stated he could make the fight happen. "We'll give Jermain the $4 million, see if they'll take it. They won't take it. I'll give Jermain $4,050,000 -- $50,000 more." Shaw said he could make the economics work with the site fee and the international TV rights in addition to the HBO money.

DiBella made an offer to Wright for $3 million, but Shaw is seeking parity. "If you look at it, Winky could say, 'I beat Shane Mosley twice and shut out Trinidad, I think this is 60/40 my way. I was fighting as a pro, undefeated when Jermain was an amateur.' He's smart enough to know that this is a true 50/50 fight. One of these guys is not bigger than the other.

Shaw added, "Lou's got his ego on the line. I think he's hurting Jermain because no matter what, until he goes through Winky Wright he will not be considered the best middleweight in the world. I don't care if he goes to some men's clothing store to get ten more belts. It's about [Jermain], if he goes through Winky Wright there's no question, he's the single best middleweight in the world."

With Pacquiao-Morales, Corrales-Castillo and Lacy-Calzaghe, Shaw is involved in many of the big fights taking place in early 2005. "I'm not a one trick pony," he commented. "DiBella's a one trick pony. Maybe he's afraid to fight Winky because if he loses Jermain, he has nothing else. What's he have? That's where he's coming from. But, to call everybody and say that the fight is off. This isn't when he ran HBO giving out 80 million dollars. Now he's trying to make a dollar. That's not how you conduct yourself. That's like if you talk to someone and you're in the middle of negotiations and all of s sudden you just blow, I mean, why? What do you achieve? You take it all the way until you realize there's an impasse and at that impasse is when you say 'obviously we can't do this deal,' and both sides move on. What he did was amateur hour."