Vitali's legacy

[Jedi Vader]

Please don't use this forum as your fustration dumping ground. Here have I a very good suggestion for you : http://health.usnews.com/doctors/psychiatrists

and I should care for your opinion because... ?!

Ah I see, as usual, you both dodged my question.

[DreamFighter]

that his brother has not beaten is not good enough no matter what.

why is tag team boxing ok with you? No champion is history has resorted to it.

[DreamFighter]

Lol, like I'm Ukranian or something. You make me laugh.
The hate is because the heavyweight champ is not black and from America.

why are white people from Europe hating on vitali because hes not black and from America. explain please.

It's obvious when people are coming out of the woodwork to discredit Vitali like this. It's pathetic really.

they all said hes pretty good. Why do you think its pathetic that they say hes pretty good.? explain please.

[nathan_nall]

Being a hall of famer and being considered an "all time great" are two completely different things. Granted one is actually tangible (HOF) and the other is purely perspective, but I mean, have you seen some of the guys who've made it into the hall of fame?

Haha... you mean like Silvester Stallone? I see your point though. Well, I guess it depends on the term "great". Great compared to what? I know when people say that they mean against all fighters since the dawn of boxing. But my late gramps (who had been following boxing since the 30s) said that there was never a great champion that people didn't say came up during a weak division. He told me to forget about that nonsense and that its only a tool to discredit a fighter you simply don't like. People claimed Dempsey had no real competition and fought middleweights, that Patterson came up during a soft period, etc. He even said people were saying "Besides Norton and Frazier, there's no one for Ali to fight". Even you and I are old enought to remember that same song and dance about Tyson. They said Tyson was only so great because the HW division was soft.

Vitali and Wladimir would hold their own in the ring against any HW that's ever laced up. They might not win... they might lose terribly, but fom Sullivan to Lewis... they'd know they were in a fight.

[ßringer]

This is a bit of a silly poll. Whether you like them or hate them, they will both be first ballot BHOF inductees. Personally, I like them but I don't consider it a bias.

I never cared much for Lennox Lewis but I had no problem admitting that he was a born and bred hall of famer and atg.

Being a hall of famer and being considered an "all time great" are two completely different things. Granted one is actually tangible (HOF) and the other is purely perspective, but I mean, have you seen some of the guys who've made it into the hall of fame?

[ßringer]

Nowhere near it. Couple the crappy resume with the years of inactivity and the fact that he lost to the two best fighters he faced, and it should be quite clear to any unbiased observer that he doesn't make the cut. His younger brother is a different story, though.

[nathan_nall]

This is a bit of a silly poll. Whether you like them or hate them, they will both be first ballot BHOF inductees. Personally, I like them but I don't consider it a bias.

I never cared much for Lennox Lewis but I had no problem admitting that he was a born and bred hall of famer and atg.

[KO'er]

You just can't deny the weak opposition that has been put in front of Vitali. Not his fault, but it's not good for his legacy either.

History will view his loss against Lewis as his biggest match, which is sad. Maybe if he fought David Haye when Haye was **** hot and KO'd him early or mid way into the fight, that might have became his biggest fight.

[Boxing Goat]

so that's pretty much it, you ignore the facts and data and make them up to suit your own agenda.

What is the point in debating with you if you do that?

I already went with the way you wanted to figure it and then explained why I figured the way I did. What more do you want bro?

Lets leave it at this: Vitali is and ATG in my eyes and you don't believe he is because beating the best in this era that his brother has not beaten is not good enough no matter what.

I get it. I can't convince you and you surely can't convince me.

~the end~

[Simurgh]

Please don't use this forum as your fustration dumping ground. Here have I a very good suggestion for you : http://health.usnews.com/doctors/psychiatrists

Lol!