Vitali's legacy

[Tommo1]

No you're wrong. It is YOU who assumes that Foreman's opponents were worth more than Vitali's when in fact they are comparable!

In fact Vitali's opponents were better than Foreman's if you want to be picky about it!

[Tommo1]

You don't read so good. I said Foreman had not a single "great" opponent on his resume.

Those opponents were good fighters, good wins. But weren't GREAT opponents. And what I'm getting at is Vitali is the same, good opponents, not great opponents. So why are we biased here?

[LacedUp]

Laced Up you are missing my point, I am not having a dig at these boxers.

As you know I rate all 3 of them highly, and all 3 are definitely ATG deservedly.

The point is that Vitali is atleast as accomplished as these guys given he has avoided the stigma of there careers completely by simply destroying all of his opponents without struggle.

Dominance is greater than struggle as a rule!

All I'm saying is he's as deserved of ATG as any of these guys are! How could it be otherwise!

Actually, I don't. You just said Foreman does not have a single good win on his resume. This is despite him beating Frazier twice, Moorer, Cooney, Lyle, Norton etc. Vitali doesn't have one win on his resume that is equal to any of these wins! Maybe Sanders, but even that's a stretch as he wasn't even fully committed to the sport.

No, you are basing your opinion on Vitali supposed greatness. That he COULD have been a champion in any era, or he WOULD have beaten this and that fighter and he SHOULD have won against Lewis.

You see a pattern here? Vitali's career is a big time coulda, woulda, shoulda. We will never know about that. What we do know, is that the guys he beat were not very good and most don't have a single top 10 win on their resume. simple as that.

[Weltschmerz]

You gotta love the whole "he was up on the scorecards!" argument that seems to be employed almost exclusively by Vitali's ball washers. Don't get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for both Vitali and Wlad, but that argument (if you can even call it that) is utterly absurd.

It's like saying that Christopher Reeve was totally dominating that equestrian competition until the horse broke his fucking neck.

This thread is not about Vitali vs Lewis. Go troll somewhere else, 'super mod'

[Tommo1]

Laced Up you are missing my point, I am not having a dig at these boxers.

As you know I rate all 3 of them highly, and all 3 are definitely ATG deservedly.

The point is that Vitali is atleast as accomplished as these guys given he has avoided the stigma of there careers completely by simply destroying all of his opponents without struggle.

Dominance is greater than struggle as a rule!

All I'm saying is he's as deserved of ATG as any of these guys are! How could it be otherwise!

[Szef]

Jesus, you guy are still on that ?

[Daddy T]

Tyson- Never once beat a great opponent either like Vitali, struggled with good opponents and lost to bums and tomato cans! Unlike Vitali! Prime career when he was unstoppable, despite struggling with Ruddock and getting KO'd by Douglas, knocked out what 20 bums before ever facing a titlist opponent lol.

Holmes- Best win was in the 90's! After that many fights I'm not surprised he's a great boxer with such experience! Before that he faced some good opponents, Smith, Witherspoon, Cooney, Ali (shot) but the only time he faced a truly great opponent who was a live body (Tyson) he got knocked out!

Foreman- Whilst I love the guy and rate him highly, he beat not a single great opponent, not 1!

Marciano- Never participated in a real HW fight! The calibre of his opposition was SOOO bad he need not be mentioned again. Bums and pensioners and sub200 is the word. No wonder he went 49-0!

I could go on!

please do I enjoy a good laugh

[LacedUp]

Oh really and what exactly was the signature fights of Foreman, Holmes or Tyson where they proved their worth any more than Vitali?

What quality opponent did Marciano ever beat who was not a pensioner?

Walcott and Charles were interim champs.

Jack Dempsey's entire career was all smoke and mirrors, he side stepped all the time!

Vitali's legacy is simply he beat every opponent in front of him in a qualitatively different fashion than any single one of the fighters on that list. He absolutely dominated them. Their talents and skills and physical gifts were worth absolutely nothing against Vitali. He never loses a round, he never loses a fight, he never off his feet and he smashed his opponents to bits as if they were nothing! THAT is an ATG!

Most of the fighters on that list are not fit to carry Vitali's jock strap! And that's a FACT! lol

hahhaha.

Eh?? What about Foreman knocking out the guy that beat Muhammad Ali in 2 rounds? Absolutely destroyed Joe Frazier. Or how about Mike Tyson destroying 2 world champions in one and two rounds respectively, as well as taking the world by absolute storm, whilst possibly becoming the most feared boxer in the history of the division, or at least top 3.

Larry Holmes was a little slower , but he had some epic fights with Shavers, Norton, Cooney, Mercer etc in a career that stretched over 4 decades.

Lol at your uneducated dig on these guys. And please..

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! - Don't mention weight or size-

[Tommo1]

Tyson- Never once beat a great opponent either like Vitali, struggled with good opponents and lost to bums and tomato cans! Unlike Vitali! Prime career when he was unstoppable, despite struggling with Ruddock and getting KO'd by Douglas, knocked out what 20 bums before ever facing a titlist opponent lol.

Holmes- Best win was in the 90's! After that many fights I'm not surprised he's a great boxer with such experience! Before that he faced some good opponents, Smith, Witherspoon, Cooney, Ali (shot) but the only time he faced a truly great opponent who was a live body (Tyson) he got knocked out!

Foreman- Whilst I love the guy and rate him highly, he beat not a single great opponent, not 1!

Marciano- Never participated in a real HW fight! The calibre of his opposition was SOOO bad he need not be mentioned again. Bums and pensioners and sub200 is the word. No wonder he went 49-0!

I could go on!

[Tommo1]

Oh really and what exactly was the signature fights of Foreman, Holmes or Tyson where they proved their worth any more than Vitali?

What quality opponent did Marciano ever beat who was not a pensioner?

Walcott and Charles were interim champs.

Jack Dempsey's entire career was all smoke and mirrors, he side stepped all the time!

Vitali's legacy is simply he beat every opponent in front of him in a qualitatively different fashion than any single one of the fighters on that list. He absolutely dominated them. Their talents and skills and physical gifts were worth absolutely nothing against Vitali. He never loses a round, he never loses a fight, he never off his feet and he smashed his opponents to bits as if they were nothing! THAT is an ATG!

Most of the fighters on that list are not fit to carry Vitali's jock strap! And that's a FACT! lol