Comments Thread For: V. Klitschko: Haye Refused To Sign The Contract To Fight

[papillon82]

Boente did and everyone knows he runs the show, he saw the haye fight and said right after he won't make it happen

he said at the press conference for haye and chisora to fight, the winner gets vitali

do you see how contradicting this is? boente says it on live tv and then they make up all this contact bs

this is a pr saving exercise, they can say anything and people hate haye enough to believe it, lots of done this sort of thing in the past

One thing is what's being said at a presser, doesn't mean the fight is on. It's a little desperate to try and blame Vitali with that sort of argumentation.

Bottom line, Haye could already have fought Vitali a number of times in the past. Now all the hypocrites defending Haye ofcourse come out of their closets again.

[LacedUp]

But Haye has only ever fought two opponents of any substance, valuev and wlad. Haye has only fought in 6 title fights, 2 cruiserweight and 4 heavyweight. He beat mormeck in a decent fight for two titles and the ring belt, then fought enzo macc for his belt that he was awarded for being joe calzaghes friend. Next was valuev, his first 'decent' (and I use the term decent loosely) opponent and he ran and stunk the place out. He looks good facing an old faded John Ruiz, then Audley Harrison, then his next fight, his first against real world class opposition and he looked amateurish and lost at best. I agree wlad fought far too cautiously, but that's what a good boxer does, nullifies an opponents strengths, he realised he could thoroughly outbox Haye so why would he take a risk? People talk about Hayes speed, he has good one punch speed, but because he always looks for the ko shot he never throws combinations. Against a good boxer haye is as dangerous as an old faded tua who probably still hits as hard.

I am very aware of Haye's record thanks. Who have Vitali won against who has a better record than that? In fact, who is out there for him that has a better record? He never throws combinations? This is hilarious when talking in relations to the klitschkos who never throw anything but the 1-2 1-1-2. Haye KO'd Audley, Enzo, Barrett, Ruiz, Chisora to name a few with combo's. Vicious left hooks, right hooks, uppercuts, straight rights. When have we ever seen this from the Klitschkos? A good boxer fights cautiously? Isn't that what Haye did against Wlad? Let's be honest, that fight stunk the place out. But Wlad def had his part to play in that as well. Leaning, clinching, holding every time Haye came in close.

[LacedUp]

One thing is what's being said at a presser, doesn't mean the fight is on. It's a little desperate to try and blame Vitali with that sort of argumentation.

Bottom line, Haye could already have fought Vitali a number of times in the past. Now all the hypocrites defending Haye ofcourse come out of their closets again.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. If Haye had said he would fight Vitali if Vitali fought against Ruiz, and didn't do it - you would be screaming duck! Get real.

[LacedUp]

Are you saying that Vitali didn't send a contract for a September fight that Haye turned down? Vitali says he did.

Come on mate, you know this. Haye accepted the contract but the K2 didn't want him to fight Chisora! You know this.

[papillon82]

Excuses, excuses, excuses. If Haye had said he would fight Vitali if Vitali fought against Ruiz, and didn't do it - you would be screaming duck! Get real.

lol.

Yes, because Haye is really the one calling the shots in this game.

You should get real about the real situation instead of talking hypothetically.

[ShamrockXpress]

I am very aware of Haye's record thanks. Who have Vitali won against who has a better record than that? In fact, who is out there for him that has a better record? He never throws combinations? This is hilarious when talking in relations to the klitschkos who never throw anything but the 1-2 1-1-2. Haye KO'd Audley, Enzo, Barrett, Ruiz, Chisora to name a few with combo's. Vicious left hooks, right hooks, uppercuts, straight rights. When have we ever seen this from the Klitschkos? A good boxer fights cautiously? Isn't that what Haye did against Wlad? Let's be honest, that fight stunk the place out. But Wlad def had his part to play in that as well. Leaning, clinching, holding every time Haye came in close.

Why I brought up Hayes record was to say he looks good when he's beating nobodies, but so does everyone look at David price, Seth Mitchell, deontay wilder. I also said he loads up on power punches, if he throws combos when he has somebody hurt then good, but he has hurt them first, andhe won't hurt somebody tall with a good jab because he takes too long too set his shots up. Wlad and vitali only use jab and grab tactics but they do th is because it is effective. Haye isn't effective against tall fighters, he looks amateurish, against wlad and valuev. Real good boxers negate the opponents strengths yes, look at when Lewis fought tua did he stand and trade or did he jab and grab?

[LacedUp]

lol.

Yes, because Haye is really the one calling the shots in this game.

You should get real about the real situation instead of talking hypothetically.

Whatever man, Vitali fighting anybody else would be scandalous and you know it. Maybe they can do Vitali-Charr II. Or Shannon Briggs could come back. Oh wait, maybe even a Sosnowski rematch.

Why I brought up Hayes record was to say he looks good when he's beating nobodies, but so does everyone look at David price, Seth Mitchell, deontay wilder. I also said he loads up on power punches, if he throws combos when he has somebody hurt then good, but he has hurt them first, andhe won't hurt somebody tall with a good jab because he takes too long too set his shots up. Wlad and vitali only use jab and grab tactics but they do th is because it is effective. Haye isn't effective against tall fighters, he looks amateurish, against wlad and valuev. Real good boxers negate the opponents strengths yes, look at when Lewis fought tua did he stand and trade or did he jab and grab?

Are you seriously comparing Ruiz (a two time HW champ), Audley (EBU champ), Valuev (2xHW champ), Barrett (world contender), Chisora (took Vitali 12 rounds and looked good) to chumps like the ones Mitchell, Wilder and Price has been fighting? Come on mate, get real. Haye did what he had to do against Valuev, it didn't look pretty, but the guy was 150 pounds heavier. What did you expect? Haye fought loads of tall guys with good jabs. they all ended up on the floor except for Wlad who coincidentally is the best in the world and is certainly not the same fighter as Vitali. So I'm sorry, but I still don't agree with your logic.

[KingTito]

Vitali should just retire.

[BattlingNelson]

Come on mate, you know this. Haye accepted the contract but the K2 didn't want him to fight Chisora! You know this.

Did you just say that Haye preferred a domestic grudgefight over a shot at (a piece of) the biggest title in sports against Vitali?

[ShamrockXpress]

Whatever man, Vitali fighting anybody else would be scandalous and you know it. Maybe they can do Vitali-Charr II. Or Shannon Briggs could come back. Oh wait, maybe even a Sosnowski rematch.



Are you seriously comparing Ruiz (a two time HW champ), Audley (EBU champ), Valuev (2xHW champ), Barrett (world contender), Chisora (took Vitali 12 rounds and looked good) to chumps like the ones Mitchell, Wilder and Price has been fighting? Come on mate, get real. Haye did what he had to do against Valuev, it didn't look pretty, but the guy was 150 pounds heavier. What did you expect? Haye fought loads of tall guys with good jabs. they all ended up on the floor except for Wlad who coincidentally is the best in the world and is certainly not the same fighter as Vitali. So I'm sorry, but I still don't agree with your logic.

No I'm not comparing there opposition, but then I wouldn't compare price, Mitchell, wilder to Haye, don't twist my words, I was saying anyone can look good against the right opponent, and you can put titles next to names all you want, don't try to make out the version of Ruiz Haye fought was a good fighter, Harrison was never and will never be a good pro despite what belts hes won, Barrett was a fringe contender at best and he was totally shot and faded when Haye fought him and chisora never looked good against vitali, he just didn't crumple like everyone expected him to. Considering you keep bringing up vitalis and Hayes respective performances against chisora and considering your implying that valuev is a good win, then how good was ruslan chagaev considering he did a better job against an unbeaten version of valuev than Haye did? Then how good must wlad be considering he dominated then stopped ruslan?