Adrien Broner really sounds like complete jerk

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

u can disagree all u want but its the case. mayweather would have never had a **** load of mexicans and women rooting for him, hes just not that. i dunno where u were when oscar was the guy but, him and mayweather are completely different.

Mexicans aren't the only one's who watch and support boxing. I wonder how Ali became so great, or Leonard for that matter?

oscar's mother's health, winning the gold for her, and his appeal to teenage girls were unique in boxing. the teenage female market was untapped before oscar and hasn't been retapped since he left.

Teenage girls don't buy PPV's or attend fights in majority. Boxing fans do, grown men were fans of Oscar, and not just Latino's. Everyone liked him because he was personable, good looking and had a great story.

It all ties in. Leonard was the same way, so was Ali and so was Joe Lewis before him. It's not about race or gender, it's about the whole package and IMO Floyd has it but killed it with his ignorant antics.

[The Big Dunn]

Mexicans aren't the only one's who watch and support boxing. I wonder how Ali became so great, or Leonard for that matter?



Teenage girls don't buy PPV's or attend fights in majority. Boxing fans do, grown men were fans of Oscar, and not just Latino's. Everyone liked him because he was personable, good looking and had a great story.

It all ties in. Leonard was the same way, so was Ali and so was Joe Lewis before him. It's not about race or gender, it's about the whole package and IMO Floyd has it but killed it with his ignorant antics.

LOuis, ali, floyd and ODH were all olympic gold medal winners. floyd wasn't. Teenage girls absolutely bought ppv's of ODH and attended the weigh ins in droves. He opened up an untapped market.

As for floyd, he chose his road. He was never going to get there the way you suggest while ODH was there. Same way Hagler couldn't get there while SRL was there. Floyd very well may eclipse ODH's ppv sales so you can't say he has killed anything.

[mconstantine]

Exactly, this should only be expected of casual fans NOT hardcore boxing fans.

And of women...

[Dr Rumack]

Everyone knows that trash talking and out of the ring persona are part of the business. I have no problem with guys doing some trash talking but I do expect them to be good at it. If they're playing a part, then play it well.

The issue with Broner is that his persona is all over the place at the moment, and as such it comes off as really fake.

And just like an actor doesn't get off the hook for doing a shitty job just because he was pretending to be the character, boxers don't get off the hook for doing a shitty job of playing their characters either. It's their fault for picking a character they weren't suited to.

Pick a persona that works, not everybody can be Muhammad Ali. Broner either needs to learn how to be funny, or to start trying and play a role that actually suits him.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Like I said on this forum plenty of times the last African American crossover star that didn't go the bad boy route was SRL. Since then we've seen Shane, Winky, Hopkins, Roy, SweetPea, Toney, Holyfield, etc They never got as big.

Now look at Mayweather and Mike Tyson. They crossed over.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

LOuis, ali, floyd and ODH were all olympic gold medal winners. floyd wasn't. Teenage girls absolutely bought ppv's of ODH and attended the weigh ins in droves. He opened up an untapped market.

As for floyd, he chose his road. He was never going to get there the way you suggest while ODH was there. Same way Hagler couldn't get there while SRL was there. Floyd very well may eclipse ODH's ppv sales so you can't say he has killed anything.

Are you going to sit there and tell me with a straight face that Oscar's core fans were teenage girls and they were the ones that bought PPV's?

OK, I'm done........

[S. Saddler 1310]

I have no problem with guys doing some trash talking but I do expect them to be good at it. If they're playing a part, then play it well.

And just like an actor doesn't get off the hook for doing a shitty job just because he was pretending to be the character, boxers don't get off the hook for doing a shitty job of playing their characters either. It's their fault for picking a character they weren't suited to.

this is actually a very good argument.

but i'm liking Broner more as a personality since he's shown signs of shedding the Floydisms (it's not total yet, but he's coming across as more of his own man, even if he does still rock some of those old pretensions). his kinda guileless, boyish natural charm sells him just fine, imo. Floyd needed the bad guy act because he was a pretty sober, flat personality. But Broner's a fun guy, a little brash for sure, but naturally more of a Hector Camacho/Naseem Hamed than a "Money Mayweather" - just a clownish scamp who isn't scared of ridicule, someone who will be loveable to many and get on the nerves of some uptight folks.

[The Big Dunn]

Are you going to sit there and tell me with a straight face that Oscar's core fans were teenage girls and they were the ones that bought PPV's?

OK, I'm done........

i never said anything like that nor implied it. I simply said he opened an un tapped market that contributed to his ppv sales.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Oscar got big because of a combination of things. His gold medal story, him being Mexican-American and appealing to a large rabid fan base, his fighting style, him being able to speak english and his looks.

If Canelo could speak fluent English hed crossover into the mainstream conscious. Im sure GBP has discussed how big Canelo could get.

[The Big Dunn]

this is actually a very good argument.

but i'm liking Broner more as a personality since he's shown signs of shedding the Floydisms (it's not total yet, but he's coming across as more of his own man, even if he does still rock some of those old pretensions). his kinda guileless, boyish natural charm sells him just fine, imo. Floyd needed the bad guy act because he was a pretty sober, flat personality. But Broner's a fun guy, a little brash for sure, but naturally more of a Hector Camacho/Naseem Hamed than a Floyd Mayweather - just a clownish scamp who isn't scared of ridicule, someone who will be loveable to many and get on the nerves of some uptight folks.

Broner is also trying to cultivate a second gig as a rapper, something floyd wasn't trying to do. Broner seems far more "brand conscious" than your run of the mill **** talkers in boxing. I guess its the times.