Better resume Holmes or Wladimir

[Simurgh]

Who, at the time Haye met him, was the man at Cruiserweight.

The points you make are about as sharp as a butt plug. You play the 'lets post a losing record of a fighter who Holmes fought' only to be beaten at your own game by a journeyman who beat Wlad, then resort to calling Furious pathetic.

Your arguments rest on fighters being either A) undefeated or B) not having KO losses. On one hand you dismiss Haye but on the other, claim him as one of Wlad's better wins.

A 6-fight heavyweight is one of Wlad's best wins, says something doesn't it?

I'd weigh-in more but you don't want to learn or understand, your opinion has already been made up and you're retorting Furious' replies with nonsensically drivel that only highlights your ******ity.

But please...continue. I'm having fun watching this go on.

I am happy you're enjoying yourself. I never said Haye is a bad fighter (all the contrary I said he is great on multiple occasions), but that doesn't change the fact Mormeck is his best victory.

Lennox was KOed cold by Rahaman and Rahaman is not exactly great by any mean (point is one fight doesn't tell the whole story).

How many HW fights Spinks had - man who beat Holmes twice?! lol Compare it to Haye (numbers please, as you were quoting the numbers).

Where did I make any comments solely on "A) undefeated or B) not having KO losses"?

I haven't mention "undefeated" at all, lol!

This thread is about resumes after all and resumes are numerical.
You calling me ****** says more about you, not me.. Actually is says to me I shouldn't waste my time on you.

[hweightblogger]

Yeah, because style matchups mean nothing in boxing

They indeed mean NOTHING in boxing, except for the 2 fighters DURING the fight. As soon as the fight is over only the result counts. And last time I checked it's still "Tyson KO1 Spinks", and not "Spinks FOOTWORK12 Tyson".

You nostalgists live in a complete fantasy land where footwork is more important than a KO win.

And I kind of understand it because Ali was such a featherfist that you have to resort to hype ups like "Oh, look how he could shuffle" or "Look at his charisma".

Wlad damn sure doesn't believe that. Which is why he keeps cherrypicking slow, lumbering, frankenstein-esque oafs with NO POWER.

Except that the two hardest ever punching unification fights in the history of heavyweight boxing were Wlad's (Wlad vs Ibragimov and Wlad vs Haye):

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=490975

See also:

http://www.heavyweightblog.com/3634/heavyweight-world-championships-of-boxing-statistics-analysis

I deliver hard facts.

You good-old-time nostlagists only deliver fairy-tales and wishful thinking.

Every time someone mentions "footwork" as a prediction of how a fight would end I know I am talking to a boxing lunatic.

[D-MiZe]

I am happy you're enjoying yourself. I never said Haye is a bad fighter (all the contrary I said he is great on multiple occasions), but that doesn't change the fact Mormeck is his best victory.

Lennox was KOed cold by Rahaman and Rahaman is not exactly great by any mean (point is one fight doesn't tell the whole story).

How many HW fights Spinks had - man who beat Holmes twice?! lol Compare it to Haye (numbers please, as you were quoting the numbers).

This thread is about resumes after all and resumes are numerical.

and I should learn from the ludicrous little troll you are, lol! please...

Spinks fights a 36 year old Holmes in his debut fight at heavyweight, rematches him and fights a few more times I think before retiring after Tyson. Surely you can make the distinction between how good Spinks and Haye were?

Spinks doesn't count on Holmes' resume as notable win where as Haye does. Who as you keep mentioning, his best win is only Mormeck. I don't understand if you're shitting on one of Wlad's best wins or trying to prop it up?

Haye's best win at heavyweight is Valuev, with names like Monte Barrett, Audley Harrison, John Ruiz - all shadows of their former selves (like they were anything good to begin with) and finally, the only one who's near his best - Dereck Chisora.

[Simurgh]

Spinks fights a 36 year old Holmes in his debut fight at heavyweight, rematches him and fights a few more times I think before retiring after Tyson. Surely you can make the distinction between how good Spinks and Haye were?

Spinks doesn't count on Holmes' resume as notable win where as Haye does. Who as you keep mentioning, his best win is only Mormeck. I don't understand if you're shitting on one of Wlad's best wins or trying to prop it up?

Haye's best win at heavyweight is Valuev, with names like Monte Barrett, Audley Harrison, John Ruiz - all shadows of their former selves (like they were anything good to begin with) and finally, the only one who's near his best - Dereck Chisora.

I actually like Haye as a boxer. I think if he was more reasonable he could be truly great.

You quoted the numbers and made the point about that, not me... and actually I don't think Spinks is much better than Haye, if he is better at all.

By RESUME alone Haye is not Wlad's best win, not even close.
Spinks can't be counted as 'notable win' on Holmes resume as Holmes lost TWICE, lol!

Should we carry on...

[D-MiZe]

I actually like Haye as a boxer. I think if he was more reasonable he could be truly great.

You quoted the numbers and made the point about that, not me... and actually I don't think Spinks is much better than Haye, if he is better at all.

By RESUME alone Haye is not Wlad's best win, not even close.
Spinks can't be counted as 'notable win' on Holmes resume as Holmes lost TWICE, lol!

Should we carry on...

Exactly, so why even mention Spinks when we're talking about fights that count as notable wins? Nor did I say Haye was Wlad's best win, I said he was one of them.

What would you say Wlad's best win is?

[hogey]

Not even close Holmes is an ATG and had everything, he dominated the division for years and come extremely close to breaking the most famous record in boxing, Wlad for me was only 2nd best heavyweight in the world till the recent slide in Vitali and has operated in the weakest era in history. Wlad has also been KOed brutally by 3 men, 2 of which Holmes would not even have considered good enough for a sparring partners.

[ArtThouFurious?]

They indeed mean NOTHING in boxing, except for the 2 fighters DURING the fight. As soon as the fight is over only the result counts. And last time I checked it's still "Tyson KO1 Spinks", and not "Spinks FOOTWORK12 Tyson".

So what you're saying is, if Tyson had've tryed to say, box Spinks conservatively off his backfoot, the outcome of that would've been exactly the same?

Are you seriously implying that the style of fight that Tyson employed had NOTHING to do with the outcome of that match?

You can't really be that ******... can you?

Now i know Klitschko nutthuggers would prefer to scan boxrec all day as opposed to watching actual boxing matches. And being a fan of the Klitschko's, who could blame you for not being able to enjoy watching boxing.

But that was an embarrassing level of ******ity you displayed in the comment above. Even by Klitschko nutthugger standards.

[Ray Corso]

Really?? This question is a Joke!! Just another "fanatic" who can't get the "brown off his nose"!
Then to compare their records as equal!!!! Get a grip son, try to learn something about boxing techniques and what methods are used to be successfull. Pick out one thing in Wlads form/style that comes close to anything that Holmes did? The only major fault in Holmes arsonal was his inability to fight inside but inside fighting has been a lost art for many many years. Wlad doesn't even know how to tie someone up!!! Don't forget the step over with his right foot when he throws his right hand!! The ultimate amatuers mistake and he does it often!
Every fighter on Wlads record will NEVER be remembered for ANYTHING in boxing in a few more years! Sanders & Byrd are the most notable and they beat him!! The others were horrible!!! Ignorant post! Ray.

[Simurgh]

Exactly, so why even mention Spinks when we're talking about fights that count as notable wins? Nor did I say Haye was Wlad's best win, I said he was one of them.

What would you say Wlad's best win is?

I would go with Byrd. He himself beat 3 ATG/HOF (Vitali, Holyfield and Tua). Although not in their primes and not convincingly but still.. The thing is I believe Haye would be even better than Byrd if he dedicated himself to boxing without taking an easier paths. But Haye is HOF/ATF at cruiseweight, no doubt.

But Wlad has other very good, notable wins (Botha, Mercer, McCline, Brewster, Peter, Ibragimov, Thomson 1st fight, Chagaev, Chambers, Haye). These are all very good/excellent wins.

[Simurgh]

Really?? This question is a Joke!! Just another "fanatic" who can't get the "brown off his nose"!
Then to compare their records as equal!!!! Get a grip son, try to learn something about boxing techniques and what methods are used to be successfull. Pick out one thing in Wlads form/style that comes close to anything that Holmes did? The only major fault in Holmes arsonal was his inability to fight inside but inside fighting has been a lost art for many many years. Wlad doesn't even know how to tie someone up!!! Don't forget the step over with his right foot when he throws his right hand!! The ultimate amatuers mistake and he does it often!
Every fighter on Wlads record will NEVER be remembered for ANYTHING in boxing in a few more years! Sanders & Byrd are the most notable and they beat him!! The others were horrible!!! Ignorant post! Ray.

It's always funny to see how people join Klitschkos defeats together and then assign them to both fighters, lol!

And you call yourself a boxing expert... At least get your facts right.