Devon Alexander is massively underrated

[turkas]

busier, but much less accurate. quantity is fine paired with quality, but quantity >> quality? no, sir.

i'm glad that you agree that his card was absurd, though.



Lederman likes to see fighters miss most of their shots?

if Lederman is consistent, it's in scoring for the fighter who the network is trying to build or push.



yahoo/ESPN? come on, man. i was expecting names of 'experts'.

Lederman always likes the busier guy and Devon was busier. You make it out like he missed everything, yes he missed some, but Devon was landing a lot and often. If you look at how he scores fights he uses the same argument every time, it's what he likes and it fits within the scoring regulations.

[S. Saddler 1310]

Lederman always likes the busier guy and Devon was busier. You make it out like he missed everything, yes he missed some, but Devon was landing a lot and often. If you look at how he scores fights he uses the same argument every time, it's what he likes and it fits within the scoring regulations.

Floyd Mayweather has not been the 'busier guy' in some of his fights, yet Lederman still favoured him, the HBO brand fighter. what do you deduce from that?

Devon was just not accurate enough and his punches lacked in quality by contrast to Andriy's.

[TensionKiller]

Devon Alexander went from being massively overrated to very underrated in less then a year

Kotelnik...
Bradley...
Matthyse...

After those 3 performances, and IMO loses, what do you expect?

[Exocet]

Beat Matthysse who is future HOF

There is nothing correct about this sentence.

[S. Saddler 1310]

i mean, take Mayweather-N'dou, for instance. N'dou outthrew Mayweather and was often seen 'getting off first', yet Lederman had the fight 5-1 at the time of the stoppage.


now, i'm not suggesting Harold was at all wrong in scoring for Mayweather, he wasn't. but my question is, if Lederman is so poorly sighted that he can only perceive volume and not quality, and if we must give his more strangely skewed scorecards a pass based on this, how was he able to correctly score Mayweather-N'dou?

[Barry Halls]

What i'd like to know is... does jabs count?

[turkas]

i mean, take Mayweather-N'dou, for instance. N'dou outthrew Mayweather and was often seen 'getting off first', yet Lederman had the fight 5-1 at the time of the stoppage.


now, i'm not suggesting Harold was at all wrong in scoring for Mayweather, he wasn't. but my question is, if Lederman is so poorly sighted that he can only perceive volume and not quality, and if we must give his more strangely skewed scorecards a pass based on this, how was he able to correctly score Mayweather-N'dou?

Obviously he takes more into account than just who is busier, but more often then not he likes the busier.

There are always exceptions to the rule and yes he takes a lot more into account, but a busy fighter holds more weight with Lederman than with some other judges.

[S. Saddler 1310]

Obviously he takes more into account than just who is busier, but more often then not he likes the busier.

There are always exceptions to the rule and yes he takes a lot more into account, but a busy fighter holds more weight with Lederman than with some other judges.

so he's not always constant in favouring the guy who is more active over the guy who brings more of the accurate, quality punching? then, when is it most beneficial to be active but largely inaccurate while being outlanded in quality punches? when you are a young American that the network has hopes for and your opponent is a technically solid but unspectacular veteran from the Ukraine?

[turkas]

so he's not always constant in favouring the guy who is more active over the guy who brings more of the accurate, quality punching? then, when is it most beneficial to be active but largely inaccurate while being outlanded in quality punches? when you are a young American that the network has hopes for and your opponent is a technically solid but unspectacular veteran from the Ukraine?

Man, I am not Lederman, but if you can't tell by watching him score fights that he is consistent then I don't know what to tell you.

Obviously nothing in boxing is the be all in all, but in this fight Devon was the busier guy, he was landing shots, he was getting off first, he was controlling the pace and the fight, and he had good ring generalship in the fight. All of those are things Lederman holds in high regard. However that does not mean a busier guy is going to win every time for Lederman, but he does like.

[S. Saddler 1310]

Man, I am not Lederman, but if you can't tell by watching him score fights that he is consistent then I don't know what to tell you.

oh, but i acknowledged his consistency in scoring for a fighter who the network is trying to build or push over an an opponent who is perceived as much less valuable.

he was controlling the pace and the fight, and he had good ring generalship in the fight.

oh dear. all it takes to control the pace of a fight is to move away and put out inaccurate volume while being cut off and tagged by the better quality punches? that's ring generalship? doesn't take much to convince some people.