Yuriorkis Gamboa named tied to PED drug bust

[samouraļ]

Not justifying Gamboa's actions, he should be punished. That said, all these *******s are on drugs. They just are. You'd have to be naive as hell to think one name every once in a while means we're cleaning up the sport.

[deanrw]

Every fighter out there should be looked at with some su****ion. The sad part of it is that it should not be us fans who should be worried about it. We should be able to just enjoy the fights and pad the fighters wallets.

The reason we are all involved in this instead of just enjoying the fights, is because those who should be worried about the subject (promoters, Athletic Commissions, Trainers, fighters etc...) have very good legal and financial reasons to keep it all swept under the rug as much as possible. That is understandable though, I mean keeping the money machine running is what they would naturally want.

[Weebler I]

In the early days of the steroids era, I might've thought as you do. But I've become quite cynical about all this, as you can tell. I'm not defending Gamboa. What he did is wrong. It's wrong for any athlete to cheat. But don't tell me Yuri and everyone else that's been bagged are the only ones. For every person that's caught, there are many others that haven't been. So we ostracize the guys that get caught, while the others are viewed as upstanding competitors? I don't think so.

No one saying that, but it's the 'they're all doing it' mentality that breeds more cheats, it attempts to justify wrongdoing and creates a culture of acceptance amongst certain fans.

It's not acceptable, not in any sport and especially not in boxing where human health, livelihoods and even lives themselves are on the line.

If we don't ostracise the cheats, the sport never gets cleaned up and if that's the case it's not a real sport and we may as well watch WWE.

[Russian Crushin]

Dude, seriously, no offense, but your reading comprehension and interpretive skills are shaky. I'm sure that's not aided by the obvious fact that you're prejudiced by my screenname.

Gamboa has cheated.

Are you still denying that you dont nuthugg cuban fighters? Just stop it. In the past week, you denied a berth robbery, a quillin duck of golovkin and now justifying Gamboa roiding. You're a nuthugger but you're not a troll like 99% of them

And thats all i need to hear, stop trying to get attention on other fighters like its ok that Gamboa cheated because other guys are probably cheating too. You've criticized "fighters who havent been caught" more then Gamboa who has been caught

[CubanGuyNYC]

No one saying that, but it's the 'they're all doing it' mentality that breeds more cheats, it attempts to justify wrongdoing and creates a culture of acceptance amongst certain fans.

It's not acceptable, not in any sport and especially not in boxing where human health, livelihoods and even lives themselves are on the line.

If we don't ostracise the cheats, the sport never gets cleaned up and if that's the case it's not a real sport and we may as well watch WWE.

Reading your post I'm saddened by all the very real implications. No, cheating is not acceptable. What's sad is that this whole mess has become so rampant that the cheaters simply can't be viewed in the same light as before.

What's happening now has become the new paradigm. The notion that ostracizing a few cheats will clean up the sport is naive. Guys are getting busted all the time and PED use isn't showing any signs of abating. There's too much money at stake. Even in the world at-large, drug users and dealers get jailed all day long and drugs are still a scourge on society.

[samouraļ]

No one saying that, but it's the 'they're all doing it' mentality that breeds more cheats, it attempts to justify wrongdoing and creates a culture of acceptance amongst certain fans.

It's not acceptable, not in any sport and especially not in boxing where human health, livelihoods and even lives themselves are on the line.

If we don't ostracise the cheats, the sport never gets cleaned up and if that's the case it's not a real sport and we may as well watch WWE.

We need more testing, and sure, ostracism. We can't fix the problem simply by ostracizing cheats, though. Actually, in some ways, that isn't very helpful.

You say that the mentality of "they all cheat" breeds more cheats, but what does making an example of one cheater do? In my opinion it tends to reduce the problem: it makes it look like it was just one rotten cheater in a generally clean sport. What good does that do us? We make an example of one guy, feel all nice and satisfied that we caught him, and we sleep well at night because we feel the sport has been all cleaned up. In the meantime, 90% of the sport is still juicing.

Hell, they do this outside of sports too. Arrest one Big Bad Guy and it makes us feel like something is being done. In reality it isn't. We should look at all top level, especially elite fighters with some great su****ion. I guarantee that 99% of them are doing something questionable to gain an edge.

Ostracize the cheaters but campaign for real reform. Most of these *******s are indeed cheating. Let's make examples of them all.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Are you still denying that you dont nuthugg cuban fighters? Just stop it. In the past week, you denied a berth robbery, a quillin duck of golovkin and now justifying Gamboa roiding.

And thats all i need to hear, stop trying to get attention on other fighters like its ok that Gamboa cheated because other guys are probably cheating too. You've criticized "fighters who havent been caught" more then Gamboa who has been caught

And because I've voiced some manner of support for these guys means I'm wrong? Your opinion outweighs mine? Get real.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Not justifying Gamboa's actions, he should be punished. That said, all these *******s are on drugs. They just are. You'd have to be naive as hell to think one name every once in a while means we're cleaning up the sport.

We need more testing, and sure, ostracism. We can't fix the problem simply by ostracizing cheats, though. Actually, in some ways, that isn't very helpful.

You say that the mentality of "they all cheat" breeds more cheats, but what does making an example of one cheater do? In my opinion it tends to reduce the problem: it makes it look like it was just one rotten cheater in a generally clean sport. What good does that do us? We make an example of one guy, feel all nice and satisfied that we caught him, and we sleep well at night because we feel the sport has been all cleaned up. In the meantime, 90% of the sport is still juicing.

Ostracize the cheaters but campaign for real reform. Most of these *******s are indeed cheating. Let's make examples of them all.

Preach, my brother!

[Russian Crushin]

No one saying that, but it's the 'they're all doing it' mentality that breeds more cheats, it attempts to justify wrongdoing and creates a culture of acceptance amongst certain fans.

It's not acceptable, not in any sport and especially not in boxing where human health, livelihoods and even lives themselves are on the line.

If we don't ostracise the cheats, the sport never gets cleaned up and if that's the case it's not a real sport and we may as well watch WWE.

Exactly. But instead we have guys who roid getting passes. Berto gets a shot at a top fighter and a million dollars 6 months after getting caught with roids. People are very accepting of it now. And nothing will probably happen to Gamboa either

Whats the worst that can happen when you roid in boxing? 6 months suspension? Most guys fight every 6 months anyway. Steroids are accepted in boxing

[Russian Crushin]

And because I've voiced some manner of support for these guys means I'm wrong? Your opinion outweighs mine? Get real.

No, go ahead thats what a forum is for. I just dont understand why you would justify such things. If this was a fighter you didnt like, you wouldnt take the same stance, you'd be ****ting on him like you should