The Baddest Man at 140 Lucas Matthysse

[Imatroll]

Didn't Matthysse lose to Judah lol

[Russian Crushin]

Because you were saying that Mathysse was "green" before fighting Zab, while bashing on a younger Garcia for not K.O'ing Morales

About Mathysse getting robbed, it is always a matter of opinion. Most fans seem to favour the aggressive fighter, while judges can favour the "boxer".
At the end of the day, what matters is what the judges see.

Garcia defined himself as a "great counter puncher" prior to his fight with Khan. He looks pretty much like a fairly versatile (but not great) counter puncher to me. However I'm always eager to debate styles. How would you define Garcia?.

No. im using other people's logic against them. Judah is also a career 140 guy who wasnt a completely washed up jr featherweight. He also fought a negative spoil fight and ran against Lucas, whereas Morales came to fight. Either way it doesnt matter. KO's happening and not happening arent as black and blue as reading names off a piece of paper

Judah was outboxed and out punched in that fight. How can you favor a boxer when he isnt doing anything other then running around while getting hammered with power punches? Thats not "boxing"", thats losing. Paying off Judges to score fights for the loser is all that matters? Ok

Garcia is more of a boxer-puncher who has good timing and counter punches. Pac counter punches much more then Garcia yet is isnt a counter puncher is he

[B-Bomber]

judges favor whoever pays them. hence all the robberies. they have the least amount of credibility in boxing. saying they matter is a joke. what actually matters according to the rules is landing punches and putting yourself into position to land those punches. matthysse did that while judah just skipped around throwing air jabs. that's not winning according to the rules.

I hope it's not so. Why watch a fight , or be a fan of the sport then?.

However, quoting from what I find an interesting read:



b) Defense

A badly over-looked aspect of boxing, especially in scoring a fight. Defense is a part of combat. In boxing it is the ability to hit the opponent without being hit in return. Defense may include ducking, dodging, bobbing and weaving, parrying, blocking, slipping, and sidestepping, as well as effectively utilizing the clinch.

c) Ring Generalship

The person who dictates the tempo of the fight and controls the action in the ring is the ring general. The boxer who makes the other man fight his fight. If fighter A keeps the fight in ring center, and nullifies the "aggression" of fighter B he is the better ring general." Or if fighter B effectively cuts off the ring and forces fighter A to the ropes where he can go to work he then is the better ring general.


d) Clean and Hard Punching

This should be obvious, but it's not. Since many fans and sportswriters ignore the two previous categories they often fail to understand what is actually taking place in the ring. A "clean" blow is one that lands flush without being blocked by his opponent. But how many times has one heard an announcer "Oh what a left hook by so and so!" The problem is the punch landed on his opponent's glove and only made a loud noise and didn't score at all. Some blows are "partially blocked"; meaning it did not land with its full force. Such blows are not "clean" punches. Also it is not the amount of punches that are thrown the matters, but the amount of blows that land. Hard punching is important as the amount of damage a blow causes counts in the scoring.

One hard right that staggers the opponent though is not worth ten hard jabs that snap back the opponent's head. Damaging blows and their value are difficult to assess and that is why boxing is subjective,

(from http://coxscorner.tripod.com/scoring.htm ).

[bojangles1987]

I hope it's not so. Why watch a fight , or be a fan of the sport then?.

However, quoting from what I find an interesting read:



b) Defense

A badly over-looked aspect of boxing, especially in scoring a fight. Defense is a part of combat. In boxing it is the ability to hit the opponent without being hit in return. Defense may include ducking, dodging, bobbing and weaving, parrying, blocking, slipping, and sidestepping, as well as effectively utilizing the clinch.

c) Ring Generalship

The person who dictates the tempo of the fight and controls the action in the ring is the ring general. The boxer who makes the other man fight his fight. If fighter A keeps the fight in ring center, and nullifies the "aggression" of fighter B he is the better ring general." Or if fighter B effectively cuts off the ring and forces fighter A to the ropes where he can go to work he then is the better ring general.


d) Clean and Hard Punching

This should be obvious, but it's not. Since many fans and sportswriters ignore the two previous categories they often fail to understand what is actually taking place in the ring. A "clean" blow is one that lands flush without being blocked by his opponent. But how many times has one heard an announcer "Oh what a left hook by so and so!" The problem is the punch landed on his opponent's glove and only made a loud noise and didn't score at all. Some blows are "partially blocked"; meaning it did not land with its full force. Such blows are not "clean" punches. Also it is not the amount of punches that are thrown the matters, but the amount of blows that land. Hard punching is important as the amount of damage a blow causes counts in the scoring.

One hard right that staggers the opponent though is not worth ten hard jabs that snap back the opponent's head. Damaging blows and their value are difficult to assess and that is why boxing is subjective,

(from http://coxscorner.tripod.com/scoring.htm ).

Defense and ring generalship and all that other stuff you want to bring up are all a very distant second to who is landing punches.

[joseph5620]

Quote:

Originally Posted by joseph5620

At the time they fought Matthysse they weren't even close. That's ridiculous.

Who the **** is Holt dude? The biggest flop ever?

Have you watched Vivian Harris and Corley the last few years? Apparently not.



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[-Kev-]

Im a hypebeast yet you're over here listing Holt with the top guys at 140. Whether you agree with it or not Matthysse beat Alexander, Judah and he beat Ajose. He also beat Harris, Corley and Soto who are in the same level or better than Holt.

Do you even know WTF a hypebeast is you goddamn idiot?

[-Kev-]

Have you watched Vivian Harris and Corley the last few years? Apparently not.

He's a f-cking idiot. Post after post of bonehead comments. He just goes with the flow, a fair weather fan.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Do you even know WTF a hypebeast is you goddamn idiot?

Trying to list Holt with the top 140lbers to hype up Garcia's win over him. Smh

Talk about idiots.

On a side note, why you be so mad mah dude?

[Russian Crushin]

Defense and ring generalship and all that other stuff you want to bring up are all a very distant second to who is landing punches.

Also how can you have a good defense when the other guy is completely out punching you, especially with power punches and ring generalship is a term many dont understand. How can you control a fight when the other guy is landing leather all night on your face?

In reality all that matters is punches landed. If its a very very close round, then you can use the other things to help pick a round winner

Judah having cute feet and running was not good ring generalship, and should in now factor into scoring rounds

[-Kev-]

Trying to list Holt with the top 140lbers to hype up Garcia's win over him. Smh

Talk about idiots.

On a side note, why you be so mad mah dude?

You're a newbie around here, so you wouldn't know that i've supported Holt back when nobody knew Garcia existed. You on the other hand, along with the others in this thread, jut go with the flow of any fighter who's hot, no matter their opposition. Matthysse, Proksa, it's ridiculous.

Holt>Harris, Corley, Soto, Ajose.

And hence I mentioned Holt as one of the last one's. Matthysse needs to fight at least the lower tier 140 good fighters. Mike Dallas? I know it was a stay busy fight, but, really? He'd knock out Pacquiao, Marquez, and is a better oppnent for Mayweather than Guerrero is? Really?