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Each one has their game. Mayweather, high skills, Pacquiao, high on roids and Margarito, high on winning dirty. From the bunch Cotto has shown to be the only warrior and my favorite from the bunch win or loose.Comment
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Other than Margarito none of them are real WW! For me none of them are top twenty five WW fighters so their all the same to me!! Of the names mentioned throughout the thread I think Shane is the best, he had a wider range of abilities and simply more talent to me! Mayweather is obviously the best technician of his era but he prefers to counter and give way and that gets boring to me! He's also a juniorwelter, he's much better suited at 140lb.
He and Cotto just don't have any power compared to high level welters through the years! Manny makes 147 but its to much weight for him, without his soccer styled calfs and heavier legs he couldn't maintain 147 for long. I'd guess he sheds atleast 12lbs during a 12 round bout!
Their ALL to old now to get to their best weights so other than Mayweather & Manny who could still maintain 140 the others are stuck where they are. Cotto needs to stop boxing before he gets seriously hurt. Junior middle weights usually carry some pop with them and he has no power at that weight! They all need to open up a restraunt and kick back and relax!! Ray.Comment
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Lets see
Cotto's best win: Mosley
May's best win: Hatton
Margarito's best win: Cotto
Pacquiao's best win: Cotto
Cotto's next best win: Quintana, followed by Clottey
May's next best: Victor Ortiz, followed by Judah
Margarito's next best: Cintron, followed by Clottey
Pac's next best: Clottey, followed by Mosley
Further analysis shows that the best overall win was by Margarito with his TKO11 over Cotto**. So he gets the most points for that. The next best win was Cotto's UD over Mosley in 07. After that, the next good win was May's TKO10 over Hatton. While Hatton was moving up in weight, he was still young/prime and I give Mayweather full credit. He wasn't the best at WW or even ranked there, but he was a great Jr WW that deserves mention. Pac's win over Cotto was the next best win.
Looking at their second tier wins, Cintron is underrated and was a good win. Lots of build up. Cintron and CLottey are really close, but Margarito beat the prime out of him and took everything he had. Cotto had Clottey and Quintana and I give the Quintana the edge because of what Quintana was able to accomplish after getting beat down. Another underrated win. Quintana I think is a better win than Cintron, so there is that strength. They both have a victory over CLottey which evens that out.
Looking at Mayweather, his next best victory over Ortiz is over a young prime kid, but the way it ended and his previous victories and losses as well as what he did after it doesn't allow me to rank over Cintron or Quintana. Mayweather has Baldomir, and yes he should have taken that fight to snatch an easy title, still doesn't make it a great win. He's terrible. Zab was still IMO near the top of his game so I give him some credit for that. Mosley was the worst in '10. No credit and neither does the JMM win.
Looking at Pacquiao, he has Cotto and gets points, but outside of that he has Clottey who by then suffered losses to Cotto and Margarito, and then a shameful fight against Mosley. DLH doesn't count, that was disturbing. He has Marquez and if Floyd gets next to no credit, then neither does Pacquiao. Marquez came in, in much better condition and fit to fight and performed as much, so there is that. He still isn't a WW. He's just fighting his nemesis at WW. Size and weight didnt matter. JMM fighting any other welter and its the same as the Floyd fight. So Pac is relying on the strength of the Cotto win. Well so is Margs, but he also has good wins under it.
So...how does it end up?
1: Margarito
2: Cotto
3: Mayweather
4: Pacquiao
**Hand wraps obvious leave questions marks, but still. Being objectionableComment
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I give manny credit for the Cotto, Clottey, and Bradley fights. Oscar, through no fault of manny, was merely a name by the time manny fought him.
Shane Mosley was a clear cherry pick, two years ago, "You're too good, Shane." When have you ever seen a fighter duck another by saying you're too good!? You have a greater chance of shaking Sasquatch's hand or seeing the lochness monster than hearing that excuse.
How do you give him credit for the Marquez fight? He already fought Juan two times and performed his best the second time, so we can't simply give him credit for "adding" a name to his resume. Marquez beat him by wide decision the third time and put his @ss to sleep the fourth time. To put it bluntly, Juan beat him in all the ways he could beat him. manny was expected to walk all over Juan and knock him out easy coming into the third fight yet was schooled instead. He once again came into the fourth fight as a favorite despite Juan giving him a boxing lesson a year ago. We all know how Dec 8th turned out.
Tim Bradley, who was supposed to be a tuneup that gets stopped late, was a hard match for him. manny's performance in this fight was nothing to write home about. Fights someone who isn't coming off terrible circumstances, looks the worst he has in years.
Floyd's victory over Zab is in the same league as manny beating Clottey. He fought a better version than Cotto did. Baldomir was a stay busy match.
Hatton is Floyd's equivalent of a Bradley. The differences being Hatton was somewhat established at welterweight, and Floyd looked like a master beating up this former LWW.
The Marquez victory was initially overlooked, but Marquez proved he's not totally ineffective at WW. When was the last time in boxing history P4P #1 made P4P #2 look like a nobody who didn't even belong in the ring with him? All this while coming off a 2 year layoff.
Cotto fought a better version of Mosley, and manny cherry picked a shot version. Floyd performed better against his Mosley than Cotto and manny did theirs.
Ortiz was a stay busy match.
Cotto's resume is good, but he didn't look masterful in his performances.Comment
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Hatton moved up 7 pounds, much more manageable than JMM moving up 12 pounds. He already fought JMM twice before at JMM's best weight classes, you can't keep giving credit. If they fought their fifth fight at Jr MW, you can't say that Pac' Jr MW resume is awesome because JMM fought there with him. He gets full credit for beating JMM at JMM's best weight when they fought prior.
ANd I didn't forget Bradley. He lost to Bradley. You can't get credit for losing, because then I'd have to give Cotto credit for the first six rounds of the Margarito fight.
And besides, I didn't think that fight was that one-sided. I thought it was super close and not a real robbery. HBO just hypes it that way.Comment
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