IS thie the excuse Memo will make for JMM if he is ever caught?

[Mr. Fantastic]

Funny that only in the sport of boxing can boxers on steroids be praised. Most seem to be the same color/flag too and those fans turn around and **** on others for the same thing because they're not likable.

Boxing NEEDS much much stricter rules. Sports where you don't even hit anyone gets you a major type punishment. One of them even got to keep their belt.

[CubanGuyNYC]

There is a strong point in here. I used to be into very PEDs several years ago and I had a surprising number of college-level and pro athletes ask me advice on steroid cycles so that they could be competitive because, as they would often say, everyone else was doing it. Just based on the glimpse I got into the level of use over several years, I'm convinced that 90% of the elite-level/contender level guys use some form of illegal PED, be it steroid, GH, thyroid, etc. The fact that so many get caught shocks me because you have to be pretty sloppy or push your luck to get caught. When someone labels someone as a "drug cheat", I laugh because chances are, their fave is also using.

We agree, PED use is rampant, and has been for some time now. What's amazing is that it's taking so long for the issue to be addressed in a truly meaningful way. Professional baseball took forever to start doing something about the problem. Pro football, where the issue is almost certainly a far greater scourge, has done relatively little. Boxing is also lagging behind.

From what I've gathered (and you've added to it), there's a far greater prevalence of PED use in college and even high school sports than people want to believe. It's an epidemic, and parents and coaches turn a blind eye. I'm wondering if we'll take at least one small step forward when Lance Armstrong appears on Oprah this Thursday.

I only have some anecdotal information to draw from here, but I've known a few people that have used steroids/PEDs. The visual effects can be astounding. The description of their effects would make any athlete want to try them. Average athletes become good, and good athletes become great. With so much money at stake, who can say they "know" their favorite fighter is clean?

[Reloaded]

The new boxing conspiracy if they win big the loser claim peds , if they refuse a test the same loser fanboy flip flops .

JMM has NEVER refused a PEDS test of any kind , this PEDS stuff is outa control now because fanboys that lose will always claim it .

[Caxcan]

Meanwhile, it was retweeted by none other than Alex Ariza.

[ADP02]

The new boxing conspiracy if they win big the loser claim peds , if they refuse a test the same loser fanboy flip flops .

JMM has NEVER refused a PEDS test of any kind , this PEDS stuff is outa control now because fanboys that lose will always claim it .

1) Previously fighters (actually only one fighter comes to mind) would just blatantly ACCUSE a fighter of taking PEDs with no proof just to get away from fighting him. Then when that fighter gets over all the accusations and accepts the bluff, the fighter that did all the accusing just moves on to another roadblock.

2) Some fighters even go on retirements/long vacations during their prime just to avoid fighters. Not sure what's worse .... you?

3) Some fighters try #1 above then move on to #2 then go back to #1 but with using a fresh new roadblock.

By the way, his fans always fall for it and believe every word he says unless it goes counter to improving his legacy! You know, "My health is more important than legacy". "I'm going on a long vacation and have no intentions of fighting Manny"

[CubanGuyNYC]

The new boxing conspiracy if they win big the loser claim peds , if they refuse a test the same loser fanboy flip flops .

JMM has NEVER refused a PEDS test of any kind , this PEDS stuff is outa control now because fanboys that lose will always claim it .

I'm not saying that JMM is guilty of anything. But you're implying that taking a PED test and passing necessarily means you're clean. That's simply not so. Lance Armstrong, who is about to make a very public admission of guilt, is almost certainly the most tested athlete of all time, yet he avoided detection for years.

Boxers get nowhere near the kind of testing, especially of the random variety, that someone like Armstrong underwent. The authorities wound up having to get several of Lance's teammates to rat him out in order to force him out of the sport of cycling. Armstrong never failed a single doping test, although one of his teammates, Tyler Hamilton, claims that he failed a drug test in 2001 and that Lance, with the help of the International Cycling Union, "took care of it."

This thing is widespread, and there are ways to avoid detection, sometimes with the aid of the "authorities".

[ADP02]

It doesn't take a genius to realize that it must be going on in boxing but to what extent is the question.

I knew people who were doing it. People are willing to do what it takes to win.

The way Marquez tries anything and everything to improve his performance and getting Heredia in his corner puts a red flag, for sure but until one can definitely prove one way or another, he is innocent.

Maybe they should include a poly graph test on all these athletes and trainers. See who is lying. lol!

What Lance Armstrong and his team did to get away with testing makes you wonder what's going on in boxing. Testing old samples of Armstrong coupled with his teammates coming out was the key. Perhaps they should do that with boxing too ...... but I said it for a while now. Just testing during training camp is a joke and would only catch a few sloppy athletes. It needs to be done 365 days a year .... and even then, we will never know for sure but at least you went all the way with it.

Cycling is a team sport so all it takes is one teammate to tell the truth but its a bit harder to catch a boxer.

[Redd Foxx]

We agree, PED use is rampant, and has been for some time now. What's amazing is that it's taking so long for the issue to be addressed in a truly meaningful way. Professional baseball took forever to start doing something about the problem. Pro football, where the issue is almost certainly a far greater scourge, has done relatively little. Boxing is also lagging behind.

From what I've gathered (and you've added to it), there's a far greater prevalence of PED use in college and even high school sports than people want to believe. It's an epidemic, and parents and coaches turn a blind eye. I'm wondering if we'll take at least one small step forward when Lance Armstrong appears on Oprah this Thursday.

I only have some anecdotal information to draw from here, but I've known a few people that have used steroids/PEDs. The visual effects can be astounding. The description of their effects would make any athlete want to try them. Average athletes become good, and good athletes become great. With so much money at stake, who can say they "know" their favorite fighter is clean?

Absolutely. And the scary thing is how irresponsible the high-school guys are with it, and how much access they have. You've got kids intercepting the mail man after school because they just bought their test cycle online using a pre-paid visa card.

One other thing I'll add is now seemingly innocent some of the stuff is. Picture your favorite current boxer. He is lagging in training and something is wrong. His conditioning coach says, "Your thyroid levels are out of wack, must be from when you were sick. We need to give you medication to balance this and get you back to normal so you can train." Hands him a benign looking pill that he takes ever few hours for 3 weeks at the beginning of camp. Now your favorite fighter has upped his energy, dropped bodyfat, and will piss clean when testing comes around. No one is the wiser.

[littlemac]

He could use the "JMM doesn't know what I give him" excuse..

..... Only the newbs don't get this joke.

[woopwoop]

The only time JMM will get caught is if Heredia gets caught again dealing PEDs and had to snitch on his clients to avoid jail time.

You think Heredia cares about not jeopardizing JMM's career like what he said on HBO? Hell to the no! He is a rat. he will snitch on JMM too if he gets caught again.

If authorities catch Heredia dealing PEDs again, he will snitch on JMM and will ruin his career and his win over Manny.