Wlad's "weak" chin

[hweightblogger]

So a chin is worse if it is subject to a 'vicious KD' than a chin that is subject to being instrumentally KO'ed.



Hahahahahaha....

Ali had a bad chin!

How good Ali's chin was is unclear, but getting KDed by a 180+ bum and then only surviving with the help of smelling salts doesn't help your case.

Just imagine Wlad had been KDed by a 180+ bum. Klitschko haters would laugh for 50 years. But Ali is a religious figure hence in the deranged logic of AliFants it probably even proves that Ali had a strong chin.

[VG_Addict]

How can you be so ******?

The number "3 KO losses" is meaningless when you don't compare it to "How many total fights?" or "How many total rounds".

If anything at all, then 3 KO losses in 60+ ultraheavyweight fights is extremely little and a sign of a good chin.

Joe Louis was KOed by Max Schmeling (193lbs, 56-10). THAT is a bad chin.

Ali was viciously KDed by bum Henry Cooper (185lbs, 40-14). THAT is a bad chin.

Ali was KDed by half-blind featherfist borderline cruiser Joe Frazier (205 lbs). THAT is a bad chin.

Gassing and then getting knocked down by a 249lbs muscle mountain who outweighs you (Ross Puritty) is NOT a sign of a bad chin.

Guess what? Chris Byrd has approximately a KOratio like Evan Fields, yet Mike Tyson got KOed by Fields. Can you imagine Wladimir Klitschko being KOed by Chris Byrd? You guys would b*tch around for centuries how Wladimir must have a weak chin based on getting KOed by Chris Byrd.

As I write at...
http://www.heavyweightblog.com/478/w...amina-pressure
(where the thread starter has the pictures from)
...Wlad MIGHT have a bad chin (or not). But you cannot deduct anything from his 3 KO losses because they had only very little to do with hard punches.

But I actually shouldn't write this here, because the nonsense about Wlad's chin HELPS Wlad, since opponents go for his supposedly fragile chin (hahaha) and hence that limits their strategies. It's like "chin bait".

You're right.

It's a sign of Wlad having ****ty stamina.

Also, at least Ali never lost to a part-time golfer.

[marvelousmatt]

Nothing wrong with Vlad's chin.It is a solid/good chin.He is a HW and HW boxing is about destruction !!! Vlad has learned to break down his opponents and use that "Steel Hammer" jab. Sanders and Brewster were very good HW punchers. Sam Peter was a recking ball for 3-4 years and he lost both fights to Vlad.All the best HW were KTFO'd before sans Vitali and Marciano. Lennox,Foreman, Ali the Pretender, The Real Greatest Joe Loius,Tyson,Holyfield,Dempsey,etc...Vlad is a machine and we should appreciate greatness when we see it. Vlad would have KO'd Ali in 3. This is the best crop of HW coming up since the 90's...HW boxing is back !!! Vlad will have plenty of competition now.

[hweightblogger]

You're right.

It's a sign of Wlad having ****ty stamina.

Also, at least Ali never lost to a part-time golfer.

Instead Ali was lucky he never met a part-time kite surfer.

[VG_Addict]

Instead Ali was lucky he never met a part-time kite surfer.

Wlad's been knocked down 11-12 times, by, as you put it, "ultraheavyweights", and you say he has a good chin?

"Ultraheavyweight" or not, that's a bad chin, any way you look at it.

Also, tell me how Wlad could beat Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, etc. What advantage does he have over them OTHER THAN size?

[Simurgh]

Wlad's been knocked down 11-12 times, by, as you put it, "ultraheavyweights", and you say he has a good chin?

"Ultraheavyweight" or not, that's a bad chin, any way you look at it.

Fraizer was knock down more times. Is his chin bad?
Joe Luis was knock down many times, then his too?

Where is the limit for bad chin ?! Do you take into account how many times certain fighter has fought?

Your criteria is just flawed.

[hweightblogger]

So a chin is worse if it is subject to a 'vicious KD' than a chin that is subject to being instrumentally KO'ed

The topic of this thread is Wlad's chin, not the official end result of the fight. For purposes of this thread one could even analyze fights that ended as NC or DQ.

But that wasn't even the point.

The point was that people ASSUME that Wlad has a weak chin and then use ridiculous examples like rabbit punches (Sam Peter) or gassing/towel throwing (Puritty) or equilibrium (Pannell) or the Brewster fight (which didn't even feature 1 knockdown) to confirm Wlad's-soft-chin-belief.

On the other hand people like you ASSUME that Ali had a hard chin and then choose to IGNORE genuine vicious knockdowns by 180+ bums and borderline cruisers to keep Ali's-hard-chin-legend.

THAT's what's wrong with AliFant logic.

If you had actually watched Brewster and Puritty then you would notice that Wlad fell when he was not hit and didn't fall when he was hit. Puritty and Brewster actually show what massive punches Wlad can take although being completely exhausted.

And spare me the Sanders example, Ali never met remotely any southpaw punching as hard as Sanders.

In fact Lennox Lewis didn't meet 1 southpaw in his career, let alone Corrie Sanders who has one of the highest KO rates of all southpaws. Neither did Mike Tyson. Nor Larry Holmes, nor Joe Louis, nor Marciano (at least judging by the opponents with known stance). Lennox even dropped his belt to not face southpaw Byrd.

Roy Jones got knocked out THREE TIMES when facing a southpaw.

Vitali Klitschko lost to southpaw Byrd.

Evan Fields lost against 3 of the 4 southpaws he faced.

Southpaws are extremely dangerous.

But even the Sanders KO loss isn't a convincing case for a weak chin since it was an anvil headbutt that knocked Wlad down, not a mere punch.

Just by the record alone Wlad has a far more convincing case for a hard chin than Ali.

[hweightblogger]

Wlad's been knocked down 11-12 times, by, as you put it, "ultraheavyweights", and you say he has a good chin?

"Ultraheavyweight" or not, that's a bad chin, any way you look at it.

No, it's only a bad chin if you ignore the number of fights and the weight class of the opposition.

Also, tell me how Wlad could beat Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, etc. What advantage does he have over them OTHER THAN size?

As a start:
http://www.heavyweightblog.com/2342/...s-muhammad-ali

Only Lennox Lewis would pose a threat for Wladimir, but equally vice versa.

[JAB5239]

Fraizer was knock down more times. Is his chin bad?
Joe Luis was knock down many times, then his too?

Where is the limit for bad chin ?! Do you take into account how many times certain fighter has fought?

Your criteria is just flawed.

Criteria should be how a fighter responds to being knocked down. Against Foreman, Frazier kept getting up looking to fight. I believe the ref said if he hadn't stopped it Frazier would have kept getting back up. As far as Louis...mostly flash knockdowns where he responded by coming on stronger and stopping his opponent. When Wlad has been hurt his body short circuits. He looks like a new born giraffe trying to get its feet. That to me is not the sign of a very good chin. More proof is the way he now fights. He has the size and skills to take any fighter out early but he plays it safe to protect his whiskers. Before Brewster and Sanders I loved watching Wlad. Now he won't exchange because he himself is unsure of his chin.

[ADP02]

Wlad has improved on his defense. He is now able to use his size advantage much more than previously. That plus the level of competition has not been stellar in the HW division. So Wlad has not been hit that much or hard enough for even china to break.

That said, the few times that he did get hit recently, he didn't look too good.