I like Martinez: BUT rematching Junior is like Floyd rematching Marquez for $$$

[mathed]

nobody cares,, the fights happening and Martinez wont get up this time

He won't have anything to "get up" from. Chavez will get destroyed this time....remember what happened to Williams in his rematch with Sergio? Chavez is going to get broken to pieces and probably stopped.

[BafanaBafana]

lol. The only hall that matters is the IBHOF.

Well they're both recognized, here's IBHOF list, which you've probably seen before anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Boxing_Hall_of_Fame

I could see him ahead of guys like Arturo Gatti, Virgil Hill, Yuh Myung-woo, Mark Johnson, Danny Lopez, Brian Mitchell, Orlando Canizales, Galindez or any of the post early-1980s guys in there who only held a single title in a single division and never unified titles.

[DeanWankie]

I think the outcome of the rematch depends entirely on Chavez. If he trains the way he did in the first fight it will be another beating. If Chavez attempts to throw more punches he will run out of steam a lot quicker due to counter punches and his stamina running low due to him throwing more punches.

If he trains like he should then he could probably win, but only due to his size advantage. Based on skills Martinez is on another level.


I actually don't think that Chavez will be able to make the 160 weight limit for the rematch. He does not like to train when he has a busy schedule. Imagine what he is doing now that he has a long layoff. I doubt he is at the gym keeping in shape.

[GoldSugar]

Well they're both recognized, here's IBHOF list, which you've probably seen before anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Boxing_Hall_of_Fame

I could see him ahead of guys like Arturo Gatti, Virgil Hill, Yuh Myung-woo, Mark Johnson, Danny Lopez, Brian Mitchell, Orlando Canizales, Galindez or any of the post early-1980s guys in there who only held a single title in a single division and never unified titles.

Too Sharp was a P4P for so long I lost track. I agree Martinez could be over Gatti but he hasn't imprinted himself on the sport the way Gatti has. Martinez has more of a Vernon Forrest career with a couple big wins and it ending too soon.

It's not all just about wins IMO

[BafanaBafana]

Too Sharp was a P4P for so long I lost track. I agree Martinez could be over Gatti but he hasn't imprinted himself on the sport the way Gatti has. Martinez has more of a Vernon Forrest career with a couple big wins and it ending too soon.

It's not all just about wins IMO

There's easily about 10 or 20 less deserving guys on there. Martinez could easily make it on merit. The real question is whether he garnered enough popularity to make it in.

[Rk16]

It's more like the Mayweather vs Mosley fight
Both Mosley and Chavez had one good rd,difference being Chavez was in the final rd so some idiots think he has a chance in a rematch despite being schooled for 11 rds

[BafanaBafana]

Too Sharp was a P4P for so long I lost track. I agree Martinez could be over Gatti but he hasn't imprinted himself on the sport the way Gatti has. Martinez has more of a Vernon Forrest career with a couple big wins and it ending too soon.

It's not all just about wins IMO

Marc Johnson was a P4P from 1996-1999 over four years but never got higher than 5th (#10 in 96', #10 in 97', #5 in 98', #6 in 99'). His resume isn't all that great either and he never unified titles.

Martinez has been P4P from 2010-2012 for around 3 years so far, going as high as #3 and arguably #2 (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=6222815).
(#3 in 10', #3 in 11', #4 in 12', #? in 13')

[GoldSugar]

Probably not. You can't just have 3 decent years and then expect to get in. Canizales was the champ for like 15 years or something. NO WAY Serg is in over him.

[BafanaBafana]

Probably not. You can't just have 3 decent years and then expect to get in. Canizales was the champ for like 15 years or something. NO WAY Serg is in over him.

It's not 3 decent years, its been 3 great years (and counting...) as the lineal middleweight champ and he was the #1 ranked Junior Middleweight before that,where he held the WBC and IBO titles.

[GoldSugar]

It's not 3 decent years, its been 3 great years (and counting...) as the lineal middleweight champ and he was the #1 ranked Junior Middleweight before that,where he held the WBC and IBO titles.

Next year isn't looking too promising though, that is where he is faultering and harming his legacy.