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  • #91
    Originally posted by GoldSugar View Post
    It wasn't a block, it was an extra, pre-hardened insert inserted inside the wrap at some point.
    It wasn't even that. The Commissioner, who first handled it gave sworn evidence that "it was a standard gauze pad, a little stiff in spots, as if there had been wet before" (paraphrased but accurate).
    I read all the official documents on the matter.

    The commission verdict handed down was-

    "You are found not guilty of having known that the illegal gauxe pad was in your bandages, but since 'you are the head of your team' we have to penalise you". (paraphrased but accurate)

    The beginning and end of the whole piece of crap was that it was a used gauze pad instead of a new one . The trainer might have put it in "for luck" far more likely than Margarito being an evil crook, right under the eyes of both Commissioners and opponents' cornermen.

    It contained TRACES of 2 of the extremely common elements of plaster-of-paris, and was harmless. Those elements are used extensively in making COSMETICS... One of the comments in the trial was that "these products can be found in every kitchen in the world.".

    Top Rank filed suit against the NSAC to ""show cause that the used gauze pad was anything other than harmless and that it could cause damage to humans" and won by default.

    I'm surprised that they haven't been having guided tours to show the deep gouge in the floor, made by the concrete block.........
    Last edited by edgarg; 12-27-2012, 01:37 PM. Reason: typos

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    • #92
      For anyone that wants to read what happened on the Margarito hearing after the 1 year suspension.

      Wednesday | August 18, 2010

      http://www.dca.ca.gov/csac/about_us/...18_minutes.pdf


      This is a good article here
      http://www.secondsout.com/columns/th...handwrap-issue
      Last edited by oc9979; 12-27-2012, 12:45 PM.

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      • #93
        http://www.dca.ca.gov/csac/about_us/...10_minutes.pdf

        http://www.dca.ca.gov/csac/about_us/...818_agenda.pdf

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        • #94
          Originally posted by GoldSugar View Post
          It wasn't a block, it was an extra, pre-hardened insert inserted inside the wrap at some point.
          It wasn't an "extra" they used the normal "one pad for each hand". The whole thing was a fraud. The old fatman wanted another "triumph" to add to his Sherlock "discovery" that Felix Trinidad's father used an extra yard of gauze bandage to wrap. It's legal everwhere except in New York State, and a very minor issue. We still get cretins on this site bringing it up.

          Hopkins was possibly trying to find a psychological "edge" over Trinidad who was the favourite who had walked through Joppy in his previous fight and was unbeaten in his 40 fights. Richardson was late (maybe deliberately) to Trinidad's dressing room and found that one hand had already been bandaged, so....made him do it again, even though the Commission had already OK'ed it.......The big problem hanging over this fight is, that 99/11 had happened and the fight was "postponed indefinitely" (turned out to be 2 weeks) That great patriot Hopkins went back to his trining camp, whilst Trinidad stayed on, helping to clear the rubble etc......He never used this as an excuse.

          Although it is Hopkins' biggest win, it has to be taken in context. It was the same PR crap we nearly always get.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by GoldSugar View Post
            I've never bothered to find pictures of it.

            But here is a great piece by Hauser on the case:

            Let’s look at the real issues in the Margarito handwrap controversy, starting with Javier Capetillo.

            Capetillo shredded his credibility by maintaining that the use of the inserts was accidental. A trainer doesn’t reach into his bag and make a mistake like that. To say that’s what happened here is nonsense.

            Moreover, if (as Capetillo claims) the knuckle pads he pulled out of his bag “by mistake” had been used by another fighter in the gym, why was the gauze that surrounded the illegal inserts squeaky-clean?

            There has been near-universal condemnation of Capetillo for his role in the handwrap scandal, and justly so.

            The case against Margarito is more difficult to construct. Essentially, Antonio’s detractors say, “Stop with the bull****. A fighter who has fought for as long as Margarito has fought would be aware that his handwraps felt different.”

            They maintain that Capetillo can’t be believed when he says Margarito didn‘t know about the inserts, because Capetillo lied when he said that using the illegal knuckle pads was an innocent mistake.

            “And by the way,” they add. “If Margarito didn’t know about the inserts, then he also doesn’t know if the inserts were in his handwraps for other fights, including his brutal beat down of Miguel Cotto. Do you remember what Cotto’s face looked like after he fought Margarito? And suppose the inserts hadn’t been discovered before the Mosley fight? Take the hypothetical one step further and suppose that Margarito put Mosley in a coma and the inserts were discovered after the fight. There still wouldn’t be firm proof that Margarito ‘knew’ about the inserts. What would the appropriate punishment be then?”

            The fact that the illegal inserts were previously used also raises the question: “Who used them?”

            Were the inserts molded to Margarito’s knuckles? Is the stain on one of the inserts dried blood? If so, is it Antonio’s blood?

            Margarito’s blood on the insert would be viewed by some as the equivalent of Bill Clinton’s semen on Monica Lewinsky’s blue dress. Certainly, it would be an interesting piece of the puzzle.

            Meanwhile, Margarito’s position boils down to the following: “Capetillo was solely responsible for acquiring the gauze to make the knuckle pads. Margarito was not present when Capetillo prepared the knuckle pads. Margarito was totally unaware that anything improper had been inserted in the knuckle pads.”
            It's great to see what Hauser says...makes an article anyway..... hmm, But the trainer said that his bag was full of all sorts of junk and sometimes after training if he was where the always open bag was, he woulld throw pads in, so that they could be used again. My own training bag was always full of junk too, as were most others I've seen.....

            Sounded a bit fishy to me but........far stranger things have happened. The pad was harmless anyway and the only "offence" was that it was"used" instead of new.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by edgarg View Post
              It's great to see what Hauser says...makes an article anyway..... hmm, But the trainer said that his bag was full of all sorts of junk and sometimes after training if he was where the always open bag was, he woulld throw pads in, so that they could be used again. My own training bag was always full of junk too, as were most others I've seen.....

              Sounded a bit fishy to me but........far stranger things have happened. The pad was harmless anyway and the only "offence" was that it was"used" instead of new.

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              How many paragraphs are you going to waste your time on writing? Margarito was found guilty, end of.

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              • #97
                Show us the block or GTFO

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                • #98
                  he later recanted his story / account of a "block falling out."

                  the gauze was hardened, though, as if it had been wet and then dried out.





                  this is reportedly the confiscated pad / wrap.

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                  • #99

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                    • Did Margarito test positive for diuretics before?
                      Heard this somewhere but not sure if its true!

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