Ward-Martinez is Not The Same As Martinez-Mayweather

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Floyd is a beltholder at 154 (which is the highest weight a Martinez-Floyd fight would take place at), while Martinez is not one at 168. Martinez has offered Floyd a lower catch weight, while Ward has not done the same for Martinez from what I have seen. Martinez would likely accept restrictions on his fight night weight or he has at least said he would try to lose the weight necessary to make a catchweight of 152 or 150 in as healthy manner as possible (suggests he would decrease the weight he walks around at). Again, Ward has not offered this. Ward is like 8 years younger than Martinez, while Floyd is two years younger.

Thus Floyd would be fighting a bigger, but older man who would probably be weight-drained in some way, while Sergio would be fighting a fighter that is both bigger and younger. Not to mention that Ward wouldn't be weight-drained at all if they fought at 168. I also think Ward would make better use of his size advantage than Martinez would against Floyd given their respective styles. Size would likely only make a difference for Sergio in regards to power then, but even this may be tempered by draining.

Martinez (at least his team does) admits he would lose to Ward partially due to his size, while Floyd's team including his uncles have said he would beat Martinez. If they believe he would still win then what is the problem?

If Floyd is willing to fight Canelo then his reasoning for not fighting Martinez is not purely based on size. Canelo comes into his fights at pretty much the same weight Martinez does and Floyd already fought Victor Ortiz who came into their fight at 164 lbs.

I guess the argument can be turned around on Martinez given that he fought the much bigger Chavez Jr., but I think Martinez' team would admit he is far less skilled than Ward (they must believe that given their reluctance to put him in there with Ward) and that the weight draining probably hurts his stamina a bit. Kelly Pavlik also significantly outweighed Martinez when they fought, so it isn't as if Martinez is completely afraid to fight bigger fighters.

Thus if he does end up fighting Canelo then he is probably not fighting Martinez for a combination of reasons. Size may very well play a role, but skill and less drawing power would likely be more important.

Essentially Floyd and his team should put up or shut up when they say he can beat Martinez.

When did Floyd say he could beat Martinez?Roger Mayweather said that and Floyd senior said that but not Floyd jnr.And why isn`t Martinez calling Floyd out?He choose a bum to fight in Argentina even though Floyd hav`nt even pick out an opponent yet for May.


Martinez fought Chavez junior and Pavlik,both of those fighters on fight night weigh about the same as Ward at super-middleweight.And Martinez had said he would fight Froch if Froch beat Ward in the super six.Why can`t he fight Ward since Ward won?Its styles that`s why.people like Chavez Jnr and Pavlik are big fighters with limited skills.While Ward is a versatile boxing scientist.

Martinez at 154 will still be bigger then Floyd no matter how you slice it, just like Ward would be bigger then Martinez.

And Ward was willing to meet Martinez at a catchweight at first but Martinez turned it down.Martinez don`t want to take on no opponents who have a good chance at beating him.

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When did Floyd say he could beat Martinez?Roger Mayweather said that and Floyd senior said that but not Floyd jnr.And why isn`t Martinez calling Floyd out?He choose a bum to fight in Argentina even though Floyd hav`nt even pick out an opponent yet for May.


Martinez fought Chavez junior and Pavlik,both of those fighters on fight night weigh about the same as Ward at super-middleweight.And Martinez had said he would fight Froch if Froch beat Ward in the super six.Why can`t he fight Ward since Ward won?Its styles that`s why.people like Chavez Jnr and Pavlik are big fighters with limited skills.While Ward is a versatile boxing scientist.

Martinez at 154 will still be bigger then Floyd no matter how you slice it, just like Ward would be bigger then Martinez.

And Ward was willing to meet Martinez at a catchweight at first but Martinez turned it down.Martinez don`t want to take on no opponents who have a good chance at beating him.

First off, I assume that he decided to fight in Argentina in April because he knew Floyd was not going to choose him for a fight in May. I don't think Martinez would risk losing the money that could be had from such a fight and the potential boost it could give to his legacy depending on the circumstances.

Jeff Mayweather also said Floyd would beat Martinez. If all of them are saying this I get the feeling Floyd would say the same if pressed or told them he thought he could win. You think he would tell them to stop saying that after the first one said that or at least after the second time it was said by one of them if he thought he would lose.

I can understand why Martinez wants to fight in Argentina and Murray is not a terrible fighter. I can also understand why he does not want to fight the most dangerous opponent there or in general right now. Chavez was widely considered the number 2 MW (not saying he necessarily was as much needs to be resolved in the division), so he didn't dodge him. Martinez is 38 and unlike Floyd has not been a star for years, so he is trying to secure big money fights before it is too late.

Murray is a stop gap before he fights Chavez again or Floyd decides to fight him. If he beats Chavez again then I'm sure he would love to and possibly only look to challenge Floyd or Canelo in 2014 depending on how things work themselves out.

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Actually I was talking about 160. I don't believe in catch weights for any fighter.

If Floyd and Martinez fought at 154 and Martinez' fight night weight was contractually limited to no more than 160 lbs or 162 lbs would you accept that? It's possible Martinez would.