What happened to "LET THE COMMISSION DO THEIR JOBS"

[The Evil 1-2]

Well technically Floyd has never done FULL RANDOM OLYMPIC STYLE TESTING. Floyd just did his version and you bought it like as if it was the gold standard.

Larry brought up "let the commissions do their job". My point was that Manny was willing to go further than the commission rules to get the fight on. You can't deny he did that.

The roadblock was on cutoff dates not about not wanting to take the test prior to the fight.

Please do not play a game of semantics with me. The USADA testing that has been conducted in Floyd's recent fights may not be the best of all possible supplemental tests, but it's certainly better than what the commissions have now.

Again, Manny has never agreed to actual random testing even with Floyd's parameters in ANY FORMAL ROUND OF NEGOTIATIONS.

[ADP02]

Explain why drug testing was rejected for the Jmm and Shane fights then...they have rejected extra testing several times

You don't remember?

Mosley: Roach said he didn't want since it would not make sense to disagree with Floyd then ask Mosley. Remember?

Marquez 3: Heredia name only came out after they signed and had already been training for a while. Kind of too late to do then but more importantly, Manny's side was over-confident in #3. So they didn't care as much.

Marquez 4: Roach brought it up once he saw that Marquez looked BIG. By then, it was too late as neither side agreed to it during negotiations but more importantly, with just about 10 days prior to the fight, when were they going to test? That would not be a valid test. Right?

Finally, its who Heredia is and his own words that make this all tough on Marquez unfortunately. Even if they do test and Marquez passes it may still be questioned due to Heredia's history of athletes who passed OST and his own words that he can think of 20 drugs that can be hidden using current testing standards.

That was an awesome fight. Watched it again several times last night.

On that play, Manny stumbled, missed his punch and that gave Marquez a free shot down the pipe that Manny didn't see. All possible even without drugs .... but one must be honest here. Heredia is that red flag here. Plus Marquez never knocked down Manny in 36 rounds then does it twice? Those two knock downs were even different.


For the rivalry and boxing, the best thing is that both are clean. Just look at Ali/Frazier or Gatti/Ward. People actually remember the fights more than caring who won. Those rivalries were so exciting that the outcome didn't matter as much. I think after they retire that is how we will remember them.

[ADP02]

Please do not play a game of semantics with me. The USADA testing that has been conducted in Floyd's recent fights may not be the best of all possible supplemental tests, but it's certainly better than what the commissions have now.


Again, Manny has never agreed to actual random testing even with Floyd's parameters in ANY FORMAL ROUND OF NEGOTIATIONS.

I believe that it is you that is playing this game of semantics.

Again, the discussions were that Manny was willing to go that extra step beyond what the commissions had in place. Larry gave the impression that that was not the case.

Manny then went out to the public and told everyone that he was willing to do EXACTLY what Floyd wanted concerning testing. Finally, Floyd's team agreed at one point that "drug testing is no longer an issue".

[ShoulderRoll]

He does not need to respond to the demands of noncommissioned agents of jealous boxers. He is the king. He only has to respond to demands of "the commission" (lol).

Well, then Marquez only has to respond to the demands of the commission too. There can't be one set of rules for Pacquiao and another set of rules for everybody else.

[Larry the boss]

Well, then Marquez only has to respond to the demands of the commission too. There can't be one set of rules for Pacquiao and another set of rules for everybody else.

its like talking to a brick wall with these clowns

[littlemac]

@ the Pacturds crying for stricter testing on fighters except on Pac.

[The Evil 1-2]

I believe that it is you that is playing this game of semantics.

Again, the discussions were that Manny was willing to go that extra step beyond what the commissions had in place. Larry gave the impression that that was not the case.

Manny then went out to the public and told everyone that he was willing to do EXACTLY what Floyd wanted concerning testing. Finally, Floyd's team agreed at one point that "drug testing is no longer an issue".

I'm sorry, but you are doing nothing but bringing up revisionist history. Manny never agreed to FULL, RANDOM testing, which was the final offer in the last round of FORMAL negotiations with Floyd and his team. Again, the most conciliatory offer for Manny was put on the table by Floyd FIRST. This offer consisted of a 50-50 split along with a 2 week cutoff. Manny failed to agree to these stipulations. In FORMAL business dealings, once an offer has been denied, it is AUTOMATICALLY VOIDED. The person who initially put out the offer is NOT BINDED to that offer in the future...

Pac NEVER, EVER agreed to full, random testing FORMALLY. Never mind these statements of posturing he has made in the media...

[ADP02]

I'm sorry, but you are doing nothing but bringing up revisionist history. Manny never agreed to FULL, RANDOM testing, which was the final offer in the last round of FORMAL negotiations with Floyd and his team. Again, the most conciliatory offer for Manny was put on the table by Floyd FIRST. This offer consisted of a 50-50 split along with a 2 week cutoff. Manny failed to agree to these stipulations. In FORMAL business dealings, once an offer has been denied, it is AUTOMATICALLY VOIDED. The person who initially put out the offer is NOT BINDED to that offer in the future...

Pac NEVER, EVER agreed to full, random testing FORMALLY. Never mind these statements of posturing he has made in the media...

Perhaps there is confusion here. You are discussing negotiations #1. I'm discussing all negotiations that they had. About a year ago Floyd's team agreed that drugs are no longer an issue ... but we found out that the new issue was money.

Still, Larry didn't bring up all that. So not sure why you are even bringing it up. ........ in ALL negotiations, Manny was willing to go beyond what was required by the commissions. So for this discussion, it doesn't matter what the particulars were just that Manny was OK with going beyond what the current rules stated.

[littlemac]

I'm sorry, but you are doing nothing but bringing up revisionist history. Manny never agreed to FULL, RANDOM testing, which was the final offer in the last round of FORMAL negotiations with Floyd and his team. Again, the most conciliatory offer for Manny was put on the table by Floyd FIRST. This offer consisted of a 50-50 split along with a 2 week cutoff. Manny failed to agree to these stipulations. In FORMAL business dealings, once an offer has been denied, it is AUTOMATICALLY VOIDED. The person who initially put out the offer is NOT BINDED to that offer in the future...

Pac NEVER, EVER agreed to full, random testing FORMALLY. Never mind these statements of posturing he has made in the media...

Well put. Can't get any clearer then this.

[Larry the boss]

Perhaps there is confusion here. You are discussing negotiations #1. I'm discussing all negotiations that they had. About a year ago Floyd's team agreed that drugs are no longer an issue ... but we found out that the new issue was money.

Still, Larry didn't bring up all that. So not sure why you are even bringing it up. ........ in ALL negotiations, Manny was willing to go beyond what was required by the commissions. So for this discussion, it doesn't matter what the particulars were just that Manny was OK with going beyond what the current rules stated.

there has only been 1 negotiation man..the rest never reached the table...even with that time clock **** they still wanted a cut off and Konz even clarrified that on the Margo 24-7