Ok lets see your new p4p lists

[D-MiZe]

Donaire simmering away?he won 2 world titles and a ring belt this year

...and Nathan Cleverly is a world champion.

Look at Donaire's opposition...

A win over Mares would be big.

[Larry the boss]

What are you on about?

Why are half the people on this forum unable to converse properly. When did I say anything about his last four bouts?

Sensitive?



You either have Pac in your list or not, if not. I want an explanation as to why a guy who was seen as one of the 2 best fighters this era, suddenly fall off the list completely. Especially to a guy like Marquez, who held his position despite multiple losses.

Jmm remained on the list cause he jumped up 2 divisions to fight Floyd and Manny....Manny just lost to 2 fighters moving up..in his last 3 fights 1 can argue he lost all 3.sorry i can not rank him over fighters who have done nothing but win,no way no how,he had a great run but it is over

[Larry the boss]

...and Nathan Cleverly is a world champion.

Look at Donaire's opposition...

A win over Mares would be big.

So Donaire goes and wins 2 world titles and the lineal title in 3 fights this year

and Manny loses a split decision and gets put to sleep yet Manny should be ranked over Donaire???you cant be serious

[deejd]

What are you on about?

Why are half the people on this forum unable to converse properly. When did I say anything about his last four bouts?

Sensitive?



You either have Pac in your list or not, if not. I want an explanation as to why a guy who was seen as one of the 2 best fighters this era, suddenly fall off the list completely. Especially to a guy like Marquez, who held his position despite multiple losses.

Who saw him as one of the two best fighters in the world? Skip Bayless and Stephen A... Arum... Gabriel Montoya and Steve Kim. If you're not a homer, your vision isn't clouded.

[El Angel]

1. Andre Ward
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Nonito Donaire
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Wladimir Klitschko
8. Carl Froch
9. Adrien Broner
10. Abner Mares

[D-MiZe]

So Donaire goes and wins 2 world titles and the lineal title in 3 fights this year

and Manny loses a split decision and gets put to sleep yet Manny should be ranked over Donaire???you cant be serious

Nice attempt at trying to turn it around on me.




Where you rank each fighter is subjective, I have no problems with that as it's purely down to opinion. Manny's controversial loss to Bradley and knockout loss to Marquez don't mask or get rid of all the other accomplishments he's achieved and fighter's he's beaten.

A loss is a loss, whether it's decision or knockout. I've got the feeling Pac is getting harsher criticism because he was asleep, God forbid you were around when Duran-Hearns happened.

[D-MiZe]

Who saw him as one of the two best fighters in the world? Skip Bayless and Stephen A... Arum... Gabriel Montoya and Steve Kim. If you're not a homer, your vision isn't clouded.

Pretty much everyone had Floyd Mayweather & Manny Pacquiao at the top, with a gap in-between those two and the rest of the P4P list. They're widely regarded by most boxing fans as the best two fighters of our generation.

Try again.

[DARKSEID]

1. Floyd
2. Ward
3. Martinez
4. Marquez
5. Donaire
6. Pacquiao
7. Tim Bradey
8. Wlad
9. Brian Viloria
10. Abner Mares


I want to put Golovkin on there but he needs bigger fights first

[Travdog]

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Marquez
4. Martinez
5. Donaire
6. Pac
7. Froch
8. Bradley
9. Mares
10. Alvarez


No Heavweights

[deejd]

A loss is a loss, whether it's decision or knockout. I've got the feeling Pac is getting harsher criticism because he was asleep, God forbid you were around when Duran-Hearns happened.

Here's a few examples of p4p lists from October and December of 2010.

October:

http://www.examiner.com/article/boxing-pound-for-pound-october-2010

http://www.boxingforum.com/boxingforum-com-pound-pound-rankings/21886-bf-s-p4p-rankings-october-2010-voting-open.html

December:

http://www.queensberry-rules.com/2010-articles/december/pound-for-pound-top-20-boxers-update-1210.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/december-pound-for-pound-rankings

One didn't even have PWill in the honorable mentions after his loss to Martinez and prior to his KO loss, he received a TD for the Cintron fight that he didn't look good in and a controversial decision in his first fight with Martinez before that. It's not unreasonable for people to choose their top 10 that way.

Sports Illustrated dropped pac out of the top two earlier this year after Ward and Martinez' performances and boxrec has him out of the top 10 now.

What's the problem with any of this?