bert sugar is ******ed!

[THE REAL NINJA]

i was watching classic rinside:top ten hw's and muhammad ali part one. i thought when he said that ali is the number two hw and joe louis is the number one hw, that he didn't know what he was talking about. but i have come to the conclusion that bert sugar is just plain ******ed! besides robbing ali of the number one spot, he said that jack dempsey left hook was more powerful than joe frazier's lol! frazier would rip dempsey's head off in four rounds or less! he also said that the biggest upset in boxing history was louis-schmeling I lol! everyone knows that every human being on earth thought tyson would kill buster douglass in 10 sec. but douglass shocked mike tyson and the world! the only reason that the odds were 42:1 was because they had to get someone to vote for douglass for it to be legit, or else no one would have voted for douglass. he also had ezzard charles and gene tunney on the top ten list. so bert sugar has mental problems.

Did you listen to the end ? He said that he put Louis over Ali based on his effect on boxing history . He was not talking aboput who would beat who only that he thought that Louis's legend was bigger then that of Ali .

[Animal Squabbs]

**** Bert Sugar

[The Noose]

So...why is Bert Sugar ******ed?

I must have missed somthing.

[Hydro]

bert knows a lot but he's pretty out there with some of the things he says.

like not having michael spinks in his top 100 and saying gene tunney is a top 10 hw partially b/c of his great light heavyweight career

I never liked Bert.

Jack Newfield (R.I.P.) was much better.

[brownpimp88]

bert knows a lot but he's pretty out there with some of the things he says.

like not having michael spinks in his top 100 and saying gene tunney is a top 10 hw partially b/c of his great light heavyweight career

I never liked Bert.

Jack Newfield (R.I.P.) was much better.

Compare Ring Magazine's 80 best fighters of last 80 years to Bert's 100 best fighters. You can clearly tell that Ring is more objective to all era's while little bert sugar is basically blind to the fighters that he grew up watching in the 1940's and 50's. I dont know why people call him a boxing guru, he's a joke in my opinion. The guy has no respect towards tyson, spinks, holyfield and lennox so why the **** should we respect him as fans.

[The Surgeon]

I like Bert Sugar but he is definatley biased to the old fighters, BrownPimps is always defending Modern fighters and 90% of the time the dudes rite, at least in my opinion

[PATO 1]

id put money on it , bert sugar has more boxing knowledge of louis and ali than you

[K-DOGG]

i was watching classic rinside:top ten hw's and muhammad ali part one. i thought when he said that ali is the number two hw and joe louis is the number one hw, that he didn't know what he was talking about. but i have come to the conclusion that bert sugar is just plain ******ed! besides robbing ali of the number one spot, he said that jack dempsey left hook was more powerful than joe frazier's lol! frazier would rip dempsey's head off in four rounds or less! he also said that the biggest upset in boxing history was louis-schmeling I lol! everyone knows that every human being on earth thought tyson would kill buster douglass in 10 sec. but douglass shocked mike tyson and the world! the only reason that the odds were 42:1 was because they had to get someone to vote for douglass for it to be legit, or else no one would have voted for douglass. he also had ezzard charles and gene tunney on the top ten list. so bert sugar has mental problems.

Butterfly, just becaue you see things differently, it doesn't make Sugar "******ed". He has his own biases as we all do; but he has knowledge and reasoning behind his picks. For me, Ali was the best Heavyweight, no questions asked, for the longest time....and I may put him on top again; but I have to look at Louis's record and such and be as objective as possible.

Ali, four years off or no, lost to Frazier and broken jaw or no, lost to Kenny Norton when Louis was still making defenses and not losing. Ali at 36 lost to 7-0-1 Leon Spinks while Louis in his late 30's lost to Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano. Also, Louis was a better technical fighter than Ali...Muhammad rarely went to the body at all.

Now whether or not Ali could beat Louis head to head is merely conjecture...nobody will ever know. Sure, you can say Ali was bigger and faster, etc.; but until two men square off, you just don't know.

Believing Ali was the best or that Frazier's hook was harder than Dempsey's is one thing...that's your opinion and you are surely entitled to it; but it give you no right to call Bert Sugar "******ed"....and given his track record and years of experience, in the end, such a statement makes you looke bad.

[Sir_Jose]

Bert Sugar is an assclown. I hate his "Its to soon to be rated great" bull**** he always spits out. He acts like if it didn't happen in the black and white era it ******.

and light the godamn cigar already, *******!

[brownpimp88]

Butterfly, just becaue you see things differently, it doesn't make Sugar "******ed". He has his own biases as we all do; but he has knowledge and reasoning behind his picks. For me, Ali was the best Heavyweight, no questions asked, for the longest time....and I may put him on top again; but I have to look at Louis's record and such and be as objective as possible.

Ali, four years off or no, lost to Frazier and broken jaw or no, lost to Kenny Norton when Louis was still making defenses and not losing. Ali at 36 lost to 7-0-1 Leon Spinks while Louis in his late 30's lost to Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano. Also, Louis was a better technical fighter than Ali...Muhammad rarely went to the body at all.

Now whether or not Ali could beat Louis head to head is merely conjecture...nobody will ever know. Sure, you can say Ali was bigger and faster, etc.; but until two men square off, you just don't know.

Believing Ali was the best or that Frazier's hook was harder than Dempsey's is one thing...that's your opinion and you are surely entitled to it; but it give you no right to call Bert Sugar "******ed"....and given his track record and years of experience, in the end, such a statement makes you looke bad.

Can you tell us why he considers pernell and hagler as barely in his top 50, while most consider both top 20?

Can you tell us why michael spinks is not in his top 100?

Last but not least, ali beat foreman, liston twice, frazier twice and patterson twice. Joe's best wins are schmeling, baer, walcott and conn. Ali beat the better fighters, nuff said.

He hates modern fighters, there is no other way to it. The guy never saw a single fight of harry greb, so he has no right to say greb would beat hagler. Actually commonsense would say hagler would win cuz greb likes to get inside and every fighter that tries to kill marvin, gets killed in the process, But we all know boxing is a sport where common sense flies out of the window.