Shocking PED revelations by T. Hauser. GBP, Mayweather, Quillin, Morales.

[Ryn0]

The Quillin-Wright stuff is really weird. Does anyone know why USADA would initiate testing, and then abruptly terminate it and dump the samples?

In all honesty, I think the only way to get around some of these problems is to legalise PED's in sport.

If everyone can use them then there is no system to beat and it's a level playing field again. Where do we draw the line between illegal substances and substances like creatine.

As long as there is regulation there will always be athletes trying to beat the system in new ways to hit that next level. It's the only way that we can really say there is a level playing field. I know some people will say what about those athletes that don't want to take PED's. Well it's up to them, the same way not every fighter takes the same supplements.

If there were a way to completely eliminate PED's I would be all for it, but I'd rather everyone have an unfair advantage (thus making it fair) than just a select few athletes who cheat the system.

The real concern is health issues, but if boxing could gather itself and create a support network for reducing the health issues we could actually see a higher standard of boxing.

[pesticid]

That writer is a fool. Here's USADA's press release reports on Floyd Mayweather's fights:

http://www.usada.org/cotto-mayweather
http://www.usada.org/ortiz-mayweather
http://www.usada.org/mayweather-mosley/

And the following is a list of athletes that received sanctions after getting caught by USADA:

http://www.usada.org/sanctions

Good stuff, the documents that Team Pacquiao or Bob Arum demanded from Golden Boy and FMJ were about the money and the finances from the last 3 fights.

[Deevel916]

So many interesting points to this article.

-Floyd settling when Manny's team requested his testing records from USADA.

-GBP and their strained relationship with VADA.

-Winky's comments on testing being scrapped and samples destroyed from Quillin fight.

- Arum's comments regarding the paying off of USADA to make tests disappear and/or submit false results. This being the reason why he'd rather go with VADA to conduct the testing for a Pac/Floyd fight.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

To me steroids are like hackers. There's always all this security stuff to prevent hacking but guess what? Hacks/hackers are always one step ahead and find a way around it. In this case, roiders/roids will find a way to bypass testing. Only thing they can do is try and minimize the usage.

[The Tase]

There is, the problem is two-fold. One, the extent to which it distorts the 'level playing field'. Two, the potential impact on human health, and the extent to which it makes those health risks mandatory for individuals who just want to compete at the highest level in the sport the love.

The playing field is never truly level of course, but nothing else comes remotely close to distorting it in the way that performance enhancing drugs do. You can never train hard enough naturally to match the stamina of a guy on EPO. You can never gain the kind of muscle mass naturally that you can gain with anabolic steroids.

It makes a mockery of the notion of competitive sport. It would no longer be a competition between athletes, it would be a competition between laboratories and doctors.

And to a certain extent, in the absence of adequate testing, that's exactly what it is.

that's a buncha BS that has been perpetuated by the mass media i was talking about.

sports = skill and physical ability.

to say if they take peds it ceases to become sports is the height of ignorance and stupidity.

you still have to sharpen your skills. all sports are skill based which is augmented by your physical ability. If you can take a drug to better your physicals, why would you be against it?

Its harmful?

yes. so is smoking. so is drinking alcohol. so is eating too much red meat. There is inherent risk in everything you do. That doesnt mean we should ban them. Its 2012, not 1990. Peds have gotten safer and more advanced today.

Level playing field?

Its not a level playing field right now because only those willing to break a immoral law and push it to the next level are getting the advantages.

If you truly want a level playing field you would allow ped use. The fact that its illegal is what's making it a uneven playing field.

Athletes already take peds. This is just a ridiculous self righteous crusade. Athletes are given a list of drugs that are allowed and arent by their respective governing bodies despite no medical backing.

Think for yourselves and use your brain for once.

Testosterone replacement therapy is a legal medical procedure that helps millions of people. HgH is naturally made in the body and is used for healing and by the anti aging community.

Yet when athletes use it, they are committing some abhorrent immoral act?

[controlmachete]

Manny agreed to ALL USADA/WADA testing...that is NOT a rumor.

well, by now he knows that USADA is corruptible... after all his lawyers cornered floyd with those 3 failed drug tests and made him settle for more they asked for... what about VADA tests? that fiery redhead dr. goodman seems to be incorruptible...

[whirlwind]

On May 20, 2012, a rumor filtered through the drug-testing community that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug.

"It was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive on three occasions and, after each positive test, USADA had found exceptional circumstances in the form of inadvertent use and gave Floyd a waiver. This waiver, according to the rumor, negated the need for a test of Floyd’s “B” sample. And because the “B” sample was never tested, a loophole in USADA’s contract with Mayweather and Golden Boy allowed the testing to proceed without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission (which had jurisdiction over the fights)."

In late-May, Pacquiao’s attorneys heard the rumor. On June 4, 2012, they served document demands and subpoenas on Mayweather, Mayweather Promotions, Golden Boy and USADA calling for the production of all documents that related to PED testing of Mayweather for the Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto fights. Mayweather and USADA back then were trying to quash a motion from pacquiao's lawyers to have mayweather's USADA test records released. WHY?

On September 25, 2012, a stipulation of settlement ending the defamation case was filed with the court. The parties agreed that the terms of settlement would be kept confidential. Prior to the agreement being signed, two sources with detailed knowledge of the proceedings told this writer that Mayweather’s initial monetary settlement offer was “substantially more” than Pacquiao’s attorneys had expected it would be and an agreement in principle was reached soon afterward.

Interesting. Now it all makes sense.

If you look at the date closely and put the pieces together, there are too much coincidence to treat this as merely a rumor.

[Dr Rumack]

In all honesty, I think the only way to get around some of these problems is to legalise PED's in sport.

If everyone can use them then there is no system to beat and it's a level playing field again. Where do we draw the line between illegal substances and substances like creatine.

As long as there is regulation there will always be athletes trying to beat the system in new ways to hit that next level. It's the only way that we can really say there is a level playing field. I know some people will say what about those athletes that don't want to take PED's. Well it's up to them, the same way not every fighter takes the same supplements.

If there were a way to completely eliminate PED's I would be all for it, but I'd rather everyone have an unfair advantage (thus making it fair) than just a select few athletes who cheat the system.

The real concern is health issues, but if boxing could gather itself and create a support network for reducing the health issues we could actually see a higher standard of boxing.

There's a very significant difference between supplements and PEDs. Protein shakes and creatine won't make you put on 28lbs of lean muscle in two months like Tim Montgomery did with anabolic steroids.

The major issue with testing is that if it's left in the hands of the sports themselves, it will never happen. A high profile drugs scandal costs money, and it is very easy to see how administrators can rationalise their way out of making a scandal public.

The reality is that it takes government involvement with stringent legal penalities for deliberate and organised breaches of regulations.

In terms of what's clean and what's not, well that's the easy bit. You simply publish a list of what's acceptable. If it's not on the list, you can't take it. If you think something should be on the list, then you apply for it to be put there.

If athletes and coaches know they could face huge fines or prison time for taking stuff that's not on the list, you'll generate a culture of respect for anti-doping measures very quickly.

It's important to distinguish between reluctance to deal with this issue and the actual difficulty of doing it. Sure there are a lot or challenges, but the biggest obstacle is the organizing bodies within the sports themselves being reluctant to act. If they are compelled to act, you remove that problem.

If on the other hand we wait for Bob Arum and his ilk to lead us into the promised land, we may be setting ourselves up for disappointment.

[Ryn0]

that's a buncha BS that has been perpetuated by the mass media i was talking about.

sports = skill and physical ability.

to say if they take peds it ceases to become sports is the height of ignorance and stupidity.

you still have to sharpen your skills. all sports are skill based which is augmented by your physical ability. If you can take a drug to better your physicals, why would you be against it?

Its harmful?

yes. so is smoking. so is drinking alcohol. so is eating too much red meat. There is inherent risk in everything you do. That doesnt mean we should ban them. Its 2012, not 1990. Peds have gotten safer and more advanced today.

Level playing field?

Its not a level playing field right now because only those willing to break a immoral law and push it to the next level are getting the advantages.

If you truly want a level playing field you would allow ped use. The fact that its illegal is what's making it a uneven playing field.

Athletes already take peds. This is just a ridiculous self righteous crusade. Athletes are given a list of drugs that are allowed and arent by their respective governing bodies despite no medical backing.

Think for yourselves and use your brain for once.

Testosterone replacement therapy is a legal medical procedure that helps millions of people. HgH is naturally made in the body and is used for healing and by the anti aging community.

Yet when athletes use it, they are committing some abhorrent immoral act?

Read my top post, I completely agree with you.

But there is a point both of us have ignored and it's the fact that boxing is a contact sport and quite a vicious one at that. PED's essentially give boxers a better means to beat someone's head in.

Ofcourse if everyone has access to PED's it could mean that everyone is going to take more damage, but if a select few have taken PED's it is unfair on those who have to take the punishment from a guy who has an unfair advantage.

I guess it's catch 22, which is why PED's in combat sports is a different issue in cycling, running etc.

[Eaner0919]

What did you think of the first part?

a lot of bias

in the end if you really want to clean the sport up of PEDs then you cannot merely focus on just one entity when it's fairly dirty across the board

Hauser seems focused on one entity like he was when he went in on HBO and Greenberg