Shocking PED revelations by T. Hauser. GBP, Mayweather, Quillin, Morales.

[HeroBando]

No **** sherlock, but WADA itself made a qualitative judgement and exempted a group of Mexican soccer players who tested positive for Clen back in 2011 due to their claims of tainted Mexican meat.

They gave Alberto Contador no such slack when he tried to raise the same claim about meat in Spain. They slapped him as positive and he was stripped of his 2010 Tour title.

USADA treated the Morales as such, and not as an open-and-shut case.

It is up to the commission to make that exemption dude, it is also on their list of banned substances. They are in the role of WADA here, they are the supervisory body. All they need is the results, which were available but not disclosed.

[ALG United]

No **** sherlock, but WADA itself made a qualitative judgement and exempted a group of Mexican soccer players who tested positive for Clen back in 2011 due to their claims of tainted Mexican meat.

They gave Alberto Contador no such slack when he tried to raise the same claim about meat in Spain. They slapped him as positive and he was stripped of his 2010 Tour title.

USADA treated the Morales as such, and not as an open-and-shut case.

Under the WADA code, no amount of Clenbuterol is allowed in a competitor’s body. The measure is qualitative, not quantitative. Either Clenbuterol is there or it’s not. If it’s there, the athlete has a problem.

This is what you will get from WADA as of 2012, so don't you think that they made a big error back in 2011 that they got stricter now...

[Dr Rumack]

No **** sherlock, but WADA itself made a qualitative judgement and exempted a group of Mexican soccer players who tested positive for Clen back in 2011 due to their claims of tainted Mexican meat.

They gave Alberto Contador no such slack when he tried to raise the same claim about meat in Spain. They slapped him as positive and he was stripped of his 2010 Tour title.

USADA treated the Morales as such, and not as an open-and-shut case.

This is like talking to a brick wall.

Do you see the significance in USADA making that decision for themselves, behind closed doors (with the promoter as it turns out), instead of publicising the results and leaving it for the athlete and their lawyers to demonstrate their innocence?

Do you see how that creates scope for tests that aren’t 100% clean to be presented as such?

What's the biggest drugs issue in combat sports today? Therapeutic Use Exemptions for Testosterone Replacement Therapy.

Now Dana White argues that TUEs can't be publicly disclosed, and it could easily be argued that they are confidential and primarily an issue for doctors and their clients.

Everyone knows that people take the piss with TUEs, but under the USADA testing model as demonstrated in the Morales case, a positive test for synthetic testosterone could qualify as one of these 'exceptional circumstances'.

So there may be a fighter out there, using TRT, but not having it disclosed because of the nature of 'results management' operated by USADA in boxing.

[ALG United]

This is like talking to a brick wall.

Do you see the significance in USADA making that decision for themselves, behind closed doors (with the promoter as it turns out), instead of publicising the results and leaving it for the athlete and their lawyers to demonstrate their innocence?

Do you see how that creates scope for tests that aren’t 100% clean to be presented as such?

What's the biggest drugs issue in combat sports today? Therapeutic Use Exemptions for Testosterone Replacement Therapy.

Now Dana White argues that TUEs can't be publicly disclosed, and it could easily be argued that they are confidential and primarily an issue for doctors and their clients.

Everyone knows that people take the piss with TUEs, but under the USADA testing model as demonstrated in the Morales case, a positive test for synthetic testosterone could qualify as one of these 'exceptional circumstances'.

So there may be a fighter out there, using TRT, but not having it disclosed because of the nature of 'results management' operated by USADA in boxing.

I have to go man, i don't have time anymore to talk to a brick wall...

[josenoway]

http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/2012_...ates_2535.html

What about clenbuterol?

The presence of this ergogenic substance was the basis for Alberto Contador’s infamous positive test result due to very low levels of the substance. Clenbuterol is a prohibited substance and there is no threshold under which this substance is not prohibited. According to WADA, at present, and based on expert opinions, there is no plan to introduce a threshold level for clenbuterol.

WADA: “It is possible that under certain circumstance the presence of a low level of clenbuterol in an athlete sample can be the result of food contamination. However, each case is different and all elements need to be taken into account, along with the context of the case. Under the World Anti-Doping Code, result management of cases foresees the opportunity for an athlete to explain how a prohibited substance entered his/her body.” In other words, test positive and you too can try to blame eating meat. Apparently, WADA is working to help minimize the risk of contamination through the monitoring of meat to official hotels and restaurants at an international level, through collaborations with countries, International Federations and event organizers.

You keep acting like it's an black-and-white situation and it's not.

Under the WADA code, no amount of Clenbuterol is allowed in a competitor’s body. The measure is qualitative, not quantitative. Either Clenbuterol is there or it’s not. If it’s there, the athlete has a problem.

This is what you will get from WADA as of 2012, so don't you think that they made a big error back in 2011 that they got stricter now...

[HeroBando]

It's not hard to see the difference between the posters who are actually trying to get to the root of the issue, and the posters who are hysterical with rage over the references to Floyd Mayweather.

I was wondering if the guy had read the article, but he keeps talking right past the main point, despite repeat explanations.

You really have to be gullible to take promoter driven testing seriously up front. Now with all this dirt coming out with Morales, Quillin, forget FMJ, some people still think its kosher and call you stupid if you disagree.

[josenoway]

NYSAC was in the loop, USADA had all involved parties on teleconference to tell them about Morale's status. NYSAC ultimately waited for USADA's judgement, at NO point did USADA tell NYSAC to refrain from pulling their sanction of the event. You act like USADA had ANY power to maintain sanction of the event and they do not. Their sole role was to ultimately render Morales as either positive or negative. That's their job - they're the testing agency. And really? USADA should make private medical records public? Do you have any concept of HIPAA? The Morales case has NOTHING to do with testosterone or TUE. Why are you even bringing up TUE? Morales did not claim that he ate tainted Mexican meat for therapeutic use.

This is like talking to a brick wall.

Do you see the significance in USADA making that decision for themselves, behind closed doors (with the promoter as it turns out), instead of publicising the results and leaving it for the athlete and their lawyers to demonstrate their innocence?

Do you see how that creates scope for tests that aren’t 100% clean to be presented as such?

What's the biggest drugs issue in combat sports today? Therapeutic Use Exemptions for Testosterone Replacement Therapy.

Now Dana White argues that TUEs can't be publicly disclosed, and it could easily be argued that they are confidential and primarily an issue for doctors and their clients.

Everyone knows that people take the piss with TUEs, but under the USADA testing model as demonstrated in the Morales case, a positive test for synthetic testosterone could qualify as one of these 'exceptional circumstances'.

So there may be a fighter out there, using TRT, but not having it disclosed because of the nature of 'results management' operated by USADA in boxing.

[HeroBando]

NYSAC was in the loop, USADA had all involved parties on teleconference to tell them about Morale's status. NYSAC ultimately waited for USADA's judgement, at NO point did USADA tell NYSAC to refrain from pulling their sanction of the event. You act like USADA had ANY power to maintain sanction of the event and they do not. Their sole role was to ultimately render Morales as either positive or negative. That's their job - they're the testing agency. And really? USADA should make private medical records public? Do you have any concept of HIPAA? The Morales case has NOTHING to do with testosterone or TUE. Why are you even bringing up TUE? Morales did not claim that he ate tainted Mexican meat for therapeutic use.

There is nothing private about clenbuterol, it is on the commission list of banned substances. The commission gets to give him a waiver if inclined, it's not up to USADA to make the judgement if it comes up dirty. Don't you see the conflict of interest inherent in USADA making such judgement? WADA was not contracted out by the Mexican football federation to do the testing dude.

Your own link says the NSAC was told on that conference call that the B sample would not be available till after the fight. Hauser/Idec say they were lied to, the B sample was available and dirty.

[ALG United]

http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/2012_...ates_2535.html

What about clenbuterol?

The presence of this ergogenic substance was the basis for Alberto Contador’s infamous positive test result due to very low levels of the substance. Clenbuterol is a prohibited substance and there is no threshold under which this substance is not prohibited. According to WADA, at present, and based on expert opinions, there is no plan to introduce a threshold level for clenbuterol.

WADA: “It is possible that under certain circumstance the presence of a low level of clenbuterol in an athlete sample can be the result of food contamination. However, each case is different and all elements need to be taken into account, along with the context of the case. Under the World Anti-Doping Code, result management of cases foresees the opportunity for an athlete to explain how a prohibited substance entered his/her body.” In other words, test positive and you too can try to blame eating meat. Apparently, WADA is working to help minimize the risk of contamination through the monitoring of meat to official hotels and restaurants at an international level, through collaborations with countries, International Federations and event organizers.

You keep acting like it's an black-and-white situation and it's not.

In the same link you posted, WADA said it is very easy for an athlete to blame contaminated meat for a positive result... But Morales was tested in three separate occasions and it all came back positive. In a span of almost three weeks and still yielded positive, it's not in low level...

[radioraheem]

There is nothing private about clenbuterol, it is on the commission list of banned substances. The commission gets to give him a waiver if inclined, it's not up to USADA to make the judgement if it comes up dirty. Don't you see the conflict of interest inherent in USADA making such judgement? WADA was not contracted out by the Mexican football federation to do the testing dude.

Your own link says the NSAC was told on that conference call that the B sample would not be available till after the fight. Hauser/Idec say they were lied to, the B sample was available and dirty.

It is very unlikely that USADA would deliberately lie about a positive B sample being available. And not just lie to anyone, but to a governing body.