Who's greater? Froch or Calzaghe?

[RichCCFC]

Why are people really clinging to the Hopkins and Kessler victories though?

If that's the case, you should annoint the man that ended Hopkins run at Middleweight over everyone (i.e Jermaine Taylor). He squeeked by Hopkins at that. And really if you want to get technical, some can argue that he lost that fight.

The Kessler victory was good also, but that's about it.

But you have to look at the "entire" body of work when comparing Calzaghe and Froch. If we don't, then that will make Buster Douglass one of the greatest HW's of all time for beating Tyson in his prime.

A few threads ago, I remember people were using Sakio Bika as a reference in rating how great Calzaghe's resume was. If you have to use Sakio Bika as a reference to put you as an ATG, then we have a problem.

Ok and a 43 year old Glen Johnson who lost 4 of his last 5 fights and coming down in weight is a good win? He hadn't beat a good fighter in years, no Mack and Allan Green are not good fighters.

Abraham still hasn't beat a top fighter still relevant at 168, his record at 68 is 5-3 and 3 of his wins were complete bums.

Dirrell hasn't beaten anyone yet, besides Abraham..

Yet these three wins are lauded as great? That's not even counting Taylor who was already done pretty much.

[IronDanHamza]

Calzaghe and it's not very close.

It is quite close.

[D-MiZe]

Hopkins - Best at 175
Kessler - Best at 168 (excluding Calzaghe)

He dominated one division and moved up and beat the man at another. None of Froch's wins equal Calzaghe's win over Hopkins nor does he really have anything that matches Calzaghe's win over Kessler.

Froch lost to the two best in his division at that time, Kessler & Ward. Abraham & Johnson are comparable to the contenders Calzaghe fought.

I love Froch, never had time for Calzaghe. But he does have the better resume and is the better fighter, Froch is close resume wise but Calzaghe's a clear winner. He could overtake or equal Calzaghe's resume if he rematches and beats Kessler and picks up a couple of other good wins.

[IronDanHamza]

No one saying Calzaghe is an ATG, he CLEARLY isn't. Bika was only used as a decent win over a Top 10 SMW.

He's beaten Hopkins (questionable), Kessler, Lacy, Bika, and not much of anything else.

Froch has beaten Pascal, Dirrell (questionable), Abraham, and Bute. I don't really rate the Taylor and Johnson wins at all for Froch.

So I'd have to go with Calzaghe on the strength of the Hopkins and Kessler wins. But if Froch gets say 3 more solid wins and/or goes up to 175 and grabs a title, I'd have a hard time saying his whole body of work isn't better than Calzaghe.

That's the problem, people are saying he's an ATG.

[RichCCFC]

"I love Joe Calzaghe"

"I want him to walk in the ring with me" lmao.. would be hilarious

[IronDanHamza]

"I love Joe Calzaghe"

"I want him to walk in the ring with me" lmao.. would be hilarious

If this were 2008 it would be awesome.

Wouldn't be as effective now as they've decided to be civil with one another.

[4Corners]

That's the problem, people are saying he's an ATG.

Well that's ridiculous. It's as bad as that "Hallsoffame" guy who compared Sugar Ray Robinson and Vitali Klitschko as ATG fighters.

Seriously, today is such a f**ked up day on here.

[IMDAZED]

It is quite close.

I beg to differ.

[IronDanHamza]

I beg to differ.

Carl Froch's resume isn't exactly special but I can't see how it's much worse than Calzaghe's.

Froch has beaten more highly ranked fighters and fighters favoured to beat him already and his career isn't over yet.

Not that that makes him greater, I think he's still just behind him at this point but avenging his loss to Kessler would take him ahead of him IMO.

[IMDAZED]

Carl Froch's resume isn't exactly special but I can't see how it's much worse than Calzaghe's.

Froch has beaten more highly ranked fighters and fighters favoured to beat him already and his career isn't over yet.

Not that that makes him greater, I think he's still just behind him at this point but avenging his loss to Kessler would take him ahead of him IMO.

Can we be a little specific here? LOL. Who exactly has Froch beaten?? I'll take Calzaghe's win over Charles Brewer over 99% of Froch's resume. Maybe 100.