Clip: The Famous "Phantom Punch" from Ali to Liston

[oldgringo]

very bogus punch...oh well its all history now.

the shot tyson hit etienne with would have stopped a semi in its tracks.

[jack_the_rippuh]

You think Etienne took a dive against Tyson?

I do.

Etienne pulls out his mouthpeice once he hits the canvas then is "out".

Yeah, but Etienne is a bum with not heart and no chin.

[BLOODSHED]

Olg Gringo, that was so funny seeing Etienne take the punch, remove his mouthpiece and then play "out".

Yeah, but Etienne is a bum with not heart and no chin.

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Any doubt that it was a dive is surely dispelled when anyone sees that punch.
He would have done Greg Louganis proud.

[masterdirector]

Etienne didn't dive. Look at the way he fell. Nobody is that good of an actor. Etienne was knocked down 7 times against Oquendo. Yes, he was a tune-up for Tyson, but he didn't take a dive.

You can kind of see Liston's head ever so slightly jiggle so I think the punch landed. Did he just stay down? Maybe. Or maybe what looks like a temple shot was enough to keep Liston down for 10. Doesn't matter, Ali really beat him in the first fight and obviously was in this one.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Olg Gringo, that was so funny seeing Etienne take the punch, remove his mouthpiece and then play "out".

While what you say could be true, even though I believe the Etienne KO was genuine.

Those two fights are on completely different levels.
If Etienne did take a dive.
That result doesn't tarnish Tyson's legacy nearly as much as Liston taking a dive tarnishes Ali's legacy. Don't get me wrong. Ali still ended up doing extremely well in his careers as a boxer, but when someone names his big wins and then brings up Liston II, there's always room for argument that his win in that fight was a result of Liston taking a dive.

[THE REAL NINJA]

tyson was hit by a lot of big punchers before the buster fight was a dive roy jones before tarver ,hearns before hagler,holyfield before bowe , holmes before tyson, spinks before tyson,oscar before hop ,

[THE REAL NINJA]

While what you say could be true, even though I believe the Etienne KO was genuine.

Those two fights are on completely different levels.
If Etienne did take a dive.
That result doesn't tarnish Tyson's legacy nearly as much as Liston taking a dive tarnishes Ali's legacy. Don't get me wrong. Ali still ended up doing extremely well in his careers as a boxer, but when someone names his big wins and then brings up Liston II, there's always room for argument that his win in that fight was a result of Liston taking a dive.

if anything was a dive it was tyson vs seldon

[oldgringo]

hey bloodshed how about you make me a working gif for my sig of the hopkins right hand in the 10th of Hop/Taylor I for a few bil...

it would have to start at 1:00 and end at :50.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Etienne didn't dive. Look at the way he fell. Nobody is that good of an actor. Etienne was knocked down 7 times against Oquendo. Yes, he was a tune-up for Tyson, but he didn't take a dive.

You can kind of see Liston's head ever so slightly jiggle so I think the punch landed. Did he just stay down? Maybe. Or maybe what looks like a temple shot was enough to keep Liston down for 10. Doesn't matter, Ali really beat him in the first fight and obviously was in this one.

That's exactly how I saw it.
If we compare the punch delivered from Ali that resulted in Liston falling and the punch delivered from Tyson that resulted in Etienne falling....which one looks more like a dive?