Jones Jr. broken legacy?

[BadMagick]

This message is hidden because DiegoFuego is on your ignore list.

Thank you for your insightful, and intelligent thoughts. Please, do not ever post something so ****ing ****** again. Why do people find it necessary to tell others that someone is on their ignore list?

NO ONE GIVES A ****!

Anyhow, I agree with the general sentiment here, that a fighter's legacy is not ruined by continuing to fight in the tail end of his career. No one speaks badly of Ali, Robinson, Leonard, or Louis, so why speak badly of Roy because he's losing now?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Thank you for your insightful, and intelligent thoughts. Please, do not ever post something so ****ing ****** again. Why do people find it necessary to tell others that someone is on their ignore list?

Dude, **** you. I've posted plenty of "intelligent" blah blah blah before. Fuego is a mentally challenged child who needs to know that I don't give a **** what he has to say. He follows me around like a dog up a cat's *******. The dude is a hater, and haters just need to know they are on ignore so they eventually just shut the **** up.

What the hell crawled up your panties anyway?

[Bozo_no no]

Look, I think Roy is amazingly skilled, but...

There is no but.

You should have stopped right there.

You started by asking "What did Roy do in his career".

When it was illustrated that was a pointless and pointed question, you start with the he was skilled "but".

There is no but.

The guy was one of the best fighters of his generation and an all time great.

You've proven over and over that you don't like him.

That's your porogotive, but the ensuing hatred and questioning his greatness is tiresome.

[BadMagick]

Dude, **** you. I've posted plenty of "intelligent" blah blah blah before. Fuego is a mentally challenged child who needs to know that I don't give a **** what he has to say. He follows me around like a dog up a cat's *******. The dude is a hater, and haters just need to know they are on ignore so they eventually just shut the **** up.

What the hell crawled up your panties anyway?

No one said that you hadn't made good posts before, but your post telling him that he was ignored, especially when what he said wasn't in response to you, but the thread in general, is completely pointless, and could/should be considered spam.

He's not going to shut up, so please stop posting that you have people on ignore.

There is no but.

You should have stopped right there.

You started by asking "What did Roy do in his career".

When it was illustrated that was a pointless and pointed question, you start with the he was skilled "but".

There is no but.

The guy was one of the best fighters of his generation and an all time great.

You've proven over and over that you don't like him.

That's your porogotive, but the ensuing hatred and questioning his greatness is tiresome.

I agree 100%. Like him or not, he was one of the most amazing people to ever step in the ring. If you dig deep enough, I'm sure you can find dirt like people have on Roy on almost any great fighter. There are some fights that just never take off, and that was the case with many of his fights. There was also the case of a guy being way passed his prime and Roy having no reason to fight him anymore when Roy was on the scene. Say what you want about him, but he was great.

[Red_Menace]

Well, what did Roy really do in his career...? I mean he has two killer wins against Hopkins and Toney, but that was long before he was exposed as having no chin. He never fought the "other" Light Heavyweight most people wanted to see him fight, even though I was on Roy's side for not going to Germany. But still...what did Roy really do that was so great? I think he's fun as hell to watch, but he didn't exactly prove all the naysayers wrong...ever...

See, this argument about being exposed as having no chin late in your career is pretty much invalid. You can actually lose your chin over time. Your brain can't really heal, so at some point, it's going to tell you when you should stop. Some guys get lucky and never get knocked out, but that's a rarity. Eventually, age and miles put on the body will catch up with you, and you will taste the canvas. Roy lost his chin "suddenly," because Tarver landed a perfect counter punch on him. I definitely wouldn't say that exposed him as having a bad chin. It was just the right punch to damage his chin for good. And I know people will argue with me about this, but it's just how brain damage works. Your brain shuts off when it can't take the punishment anymore.

[Red_Menace]

Look, I think Roy is amazingly skilled, but he knew he couldn't **** with the big boys so he never tried. First time he went up against a guy I considered a big puncher that was also a skilled fighter, he got beat up. Then he got knocked out. I mean, if Roy had fought guys like DM and beat them, I would be like you guys and say Roy lost to Tarver cuz he's old or out of his prime or whatever (even though his speed is still there, which means his punch is still there) But the point is he didn't. He beat Toney who was the #1 guy in boxing at the time and he sat on his perch for 10 years. Floyd Mayweather has already started a career that will easily surpass Roy's. Mayweather beat Chavez, Corrales, and Castillo (twice), and now he's fighting Judah! I hate Floyd as a person and I love Roy as far as being smart about boxing goes, but Roy doesn't take risks, even compared to guys like Mayweather. Only now at the end of his career is Roy quick to sign contracts and make fights and milk himself for every penny he's worth, but I will NOT consider him one of the greatest ever. I'm sorry, I just won't do it.

It's hard to criticize people for not fighting every single one of the best fighters around. Unfortunately, in modern boxing, promoters like to protect their fighters records. When a fight doesn't occur between to champs, they're both going to say it didn't happen because of the other guy. It's pretty much pointless to debate which of the two was in the wrong, and I think most of the time the problem is the promoters and money.

[Dr.Depravity]

The same people who are dissing Jones now, are the same type of people who hated Ali. After the years go by Jones' legacy will only grow stronger and stronger.

[Truth]

The guy was one of the best fighters of his generation and an all time great.

You've proven over and over that you don't like him.

That's your porogotive, but the ensuing hatred and questioning his greatness is tiresome.

No offense to Diego. But I have to agree with you. Roy had a great career, he won titles from 160-heavyweight. Thats impressive even if some of the fighters are bums.

[DiegoFuego]

I think James Toney has accomplished more and will accomplish more. Toney won titles at every weight class he ever fought at. Big deal. Roy pot-shotted one heavyweight to death. Toney beat the **** out of the same heavyweight and he's done it to three others.

[Truth]

I think James Toney has accomplished more and will accomplish more. Toney won titles at every weight class he ever fought at. Big deal. Roy pot-shotted one heavyweight to death. Toney beat the **** out of the same heavyweight and he's done it to three others.

You can certaintly make a case that Toney has been more successful. I like both fighters. My Top three favorite fighter list goes Jones, Tyson and Toney. Your right Diego, Toney may unify the title before he retires.