Comments Thread For: Mayweather: Pacquiao is Desperate, He's On The Decline

[BoxingGenius27]

Floyd didn't try to make this fight because Cotto was with Arum, why do you think the fight was made so quickly and easily when Cotto left TR?

Because Cotto was never the same after Margarito, that's why.

But Ill play devil's advocate. Answer this question, then.

If Bob Arum was the blame in 2008, show me 1 article, just 1 measley article from 2008 saying so?

Just one?

You won't find it, you know why?

Because unlike today, with Floyd-Pac, Arum wasnt the reason. At the time, Floyd wasn't even entertaining a fight with Cotto because of his fanbase and retirement. Just see the interview after the Hatton fight.

Merchant asks Floyd to fight Cotto; why doesn't FLoyd say "I'm trying but Arum is getting in the way"?

He didn't, you know why? Because he wanted no part of Cotto, but instead "Didn't want to talk about any welterweights and needed a break".

Absolutely nothing about Arum like what we're hearing today. Sure Arum didn't push like he should have, but the media and fans were asking for that fight which is what's most important. Especially to "Money" Mayweather.

Floyd was his own boss then, just like he is now; and he made absolutely no attempt to make that fight when it was the hottest. So then he uses his conflict with Arum now as an excuse to why the fight wasn't made in 08.

I don't buy that because we would've heard about it in 08. Especially from Floyd who holds no secrets and isn't quiet about anything. Instead we heard about vacations, retirements and fan bases; NOTHING about Arum.

[rasdun]

Who was Mayweather before fighting Hoya? Btw, Judah was a top 3 WW at that time. Pac has to this day never fought a top 3 WW let alone JMW. Floyd fought and beat the top 2 out of 3 WW’s when he moved up in weight.

Again, who was Floyd before fighting Hoya? Remember the years of those fights too and remember the years that Bob Arum promoted him. If you remember Bob protected Floyd from Hoya as he protected Cotto from Mayweather. He also wouldn’t allow Floyd to fight Cotto, Hatton or Hoya. Bob just didn’t want them fights so Floyd left Bob and when Cotto left Bob, we finally got the fight. Only now it was at JMW rather than JWW or WW where Cotto held titles for a few months.



Again, did you not witness the Pac Cotto II fight falling through? If Cotto had been under TR it would have happened. People wanted Mayweather Cotto at JWW but that didn't happen either. It certainly didn't happen after Floyd left TR. No fight has, yet people want to think Floyd is ducking certain fighters but over look the trend of who these fighters are represented by.

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IMO Floyd's in predicament on who he can fight. Does he cherry pick guys who aren't even WW's and fight them at WW (like Pac is doing)?

Does he move up in weight? Not a good thing to do (at his age) if he plans on fighting at WW again.

Should he stay at WW and outclass every single fighter there which would be considered cherry picking guys that are too easy?

Stay at JMW and dominate that division which would be considered cherry picking and too easy?

Move up to MW like I am thinking he would do before retiring to claim a cheap ass MW title or simply loose to a much bigger fighter at MW?

IMO Floyd is wanting to retire just as bad as Pac and is only wanting fights that count. Bob has his agenda and until he exhausts all his options, he will not make the fight. Just like he didn't make Mayweather vs Hoya or Mayweather vs Cotto when BOTH where JWW's. In the meantime we can point fingers but even Pac's own team as made it clear about Bob's intentions.

so who has Pac not fought at welterwt? he beat Cotto, Clottey, Mosely and Marquez and wants Mayweather. he shouldve fought Berto instead of a shot Mosely, but there havent been any top welters he avoided - who are they?
and yes - we all know Arum is a scumbag. but hes a promoter all he cares about is $. Floyd should care about his legacy and eh obviously doesnt

[leonthegee]

Yeah, that's the point. Businessman Floyd is still scared of the Pacman. Hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake. He still won't fight him. Easy fight, easy money. He just won't fight Pac.

Last I checked the only 2 offers were made by Floyds team. Measure a man by his moves, not by his words. Floyd 2 Manny 0.

[WESS]

Manny Pacquiao is a jack ass for signing with Bob Arum again. Floyd is should be fighting more. Bob and Floyd hates each other but fight could have been done in 09 if Pacquiao would have agreed to take the tests then he said he has agreed to now. The more Manny makes statements about taking the lesser share the more Floyd balls get bigger and feeds his ego. Honestly man..... the fans should be mad as hell that this fight didn't happen. Not making excuses on why it shouldn't and who ducked who. Bob Arum played the people through the media like the pied piper. Floyd should not have retired as many times as he did just to get attention.

Which is why all the pactarts have come out to play troll lately. They understand how bad this makes Pac look. They understand how successful Hoya, Mayweather and Cotto have become when leaving TR and yet Pac stayed....

We seen that Mosley, JMM and Bradley having to "sign" with TR to get a Pac fight. We seen Mayweather having to leave TR to get a Hoya fight. We seen Cotto having to leave TR to get a Mayweather fight. Pactarts love to overlook the trend but it's as clear as day on why the fight is not taking place and Pac had every chance to go on his own and make more money than ever but decided to hide behind Bob once again.

Again, Ol Bob will exhaust all his options before making the fight. He knows Pac's stock drops when he loses to Floyd so he will milk what he can get until Pac has one last fight left and even when/if he loses you will see Bob looking for a rematch. Just another way to get more money out of Pac.

[rasdun]

Because Cotto was never the same after Margarito, that's why.

But Ill play devil's advocate. Answer this question, then.

If Bob Arum was the blame in 2008, show me 1 article, just 1 measley article from 2008 saying so?

Just one?

You won't find it, you know why?

Because unlike today, with Floyd-Pac, Arum wasnt the reason. At the time, Floyd wasn't even entertaining a fight with Cotto because of his fanbase and retirement. Just see the interview after the Hatton fight.

Merchant asks Floyd to fight Cotto; why doesn't FLoyd say "I'm trying but Arum is getting in the way"?

He didn't, you know why? Because he wanted no part of Cotto, but instead "Didn't want to talk about any welterweights and needed a break".

Absolutely nothing about Arum like what we're hearing today. Sure Arum didn't push like he should have, but the media and fans were asking for that fight which is what's most important. Especially to "Money" Mayweather.

Floyd was his own boss then, just like he is now; and he made absolutely no attempt to make that fight when it was the hottest. So then he uses his conflict with Arum now as an excuse to why the fight wasn't made in 08.

I don't buy that because we would've heard about it in 08. Especially from Floyd who holds no secrets and isn't quiet about anything. Instead we heard about vacations, retirements and fan bases; NOTHING about Arum.

SO TRUE. u know I admit that Pac couldve done a lot more in '09 to mkae the fight happen, and for that he'l always be partially to blame. but for the past 2 1/2 yrs, Pac has wanted the fight. we know Arum hasnt, but like I said before, Mayweather should care about his own Legacy - he doesnt. only the easiest fights that appear to be challenegs - Cotto, Marquez, etc.,

[throbk1974]

If Pac is on the decline it should be an easier fight. Quit being scared and come out from under that rock, Floyd Jr.

[rasdun]

Which is why all the pactarts have come out to play troll lately. They understand how bad this makes Pac look. They understand how successful Hoya, Mayweather and Cotto have become when leaving TR and yet Pac stayed....

We seen that Mosley, JMM and Bradley having to "sign" with TR to get a Pac fight. We seen Mayweather having to leave TR to get a Hoya fight. We seen Cotto having to leave TR to get a Mayweather fight. Pactarts love to overlook the trend but it's as clear as day on why the fight is not taking place and Pac had every chance to go on his own and make more money than ever but decided to hide behind Bob once again.

Again, Ol Bob will exhaust all his options before making the fight. He knows Pac's stock drops when he loses to Floyd so he will milk what he can get until Pac has one last fight left and even when/if he loses you will see Bob looking for a rematch. Just another way to get more money out of Pac.

Is that a joke? Cotto has had 1 fight w/o TR. they made him one of the top 5 paid fighters in boxing. also de la hoya made tens of millions per fight wit TR. do u even kno what ur talkn about before opnenin ur mouth?
I agree that Arum is a piece of sh**, but he made all 3 a ton of $, and only Mayweather did significantly better after leaving TR

[BoxingGenius27]

Who was Mayweather before fighting Hoya? Btw, Judah was a top 3 WW at that time. Pac has to this day never fought a top 3 WW let alone JMW. Floyd fought and beat the top 2 out of 3 WW’s when he moved up in weight.



Again, who was Floyd before fighting Hoya? Remember the years of those fights too and remember the years that Bob Arum promoted him. If you remember Bob protected Floyd from Hoya as he protected Cotto from Mayweather. He also wouldn’t allow Floyd to fight Cotto, Hatton or Hoya. Bob just didn’t want them fights so Floyd left Bob and when Cotto left Bob, we finally got the fight. Only now it was at JMW rather than JWW or WW where Cotto held titles for a few months.



Again, did you not witness the Pac Cotto II fight falling through? If Cotto had been under TR it would have happened. People wanted Mayweather Cotto at JWW but that didn't happen either. It certainly didn't happen after Floyd left TR. No fight has, yet people want to think Floyd is ducking certain fighters but over look the trend of who these fighters are represented by.

.

IMO Floyd's in predicament on who he can fight. Does he cherry pick guys who aren't even WW's and fight them at WW (like Pac is doing)?

Does he move up in weight? Not a good thing to do (at his age) if he plans on fighting at WW again.

Should he stay at WW and outclass every single fighter there which would be considered cherry picking guys that are too easy?

Stay at JMW and dominate that division which would be considered cherry picking and too easy?

Move up to MW like I am thinking he would do before retiring to claim a cheap ass MW title or simply loose to a much bigger fighter at MW?

IMO Floyd is wanting to retire just as bad as Pac and is only wanting fights that count. Bob has his agenda and until he exhausts all his options, he will not make the fight. Just like he didn't make Mayweather vs Hoya or Mayweather vs Cotto when BOTH where JWW's. In the meantime we can point fingers but even Pac's own team as made it clear about Bob's intentions.

I hear your argument, but you're getting today's problems mixed up with the problems from 4-5 years ago. My thing is this and it's simple.

Why no talk of Arum in 2008?

If we're going off facts, Floyd never mentioned Arum being an obstacle to Floyd-Cotto happening.

Floyd mentioned the following:

1. Vacations
2. Retirements
3. Cotto has no fan base
4. Cotto lives to far
5. ODLH-Mayweather II (rematch)

These are quotes from Mayweather, directly from the horses mouth.

So I'll ask you again Wess, out of all these excuses, why no "I'm trying to make the fight, but Arums getting in the way", like what was obviously the case now with Pac?

[Bullrider]

Last I checked the only 2 offers were made by Floyds team. Measure a man by his moves, not by his words. Floyd 2 Manny 0.

Floyd has no inclination to prove he's the best. Some people will give up things just to have that chance. Not Floyd.

Bottom line will always be: He's scared.

[rasdun]

Last I checked the only 2 offers were made by Floyds team. Measure a man by his moves, not by his words. Floyd 2 Manny 0.

wat offers? floyd gives Pac 40 mil and keeps 100% of PPV upside - hundreds of millions. yeah that was legit. if u recall, Arum, who we all know doesnt want the fight, countered with 50 mil for floyd - which was also ridiculous, but really just meant to show the absurdity of floyds offer. some of these floyd fans are straight delusional. they can never admit one negative thing about him even though he is completely full of it and in actuality, doesnt care at all abuot his fans or what fights his fans want to see