Comments Thread For: Mayweather: Pacquiao is Desperate, He's On The Decline

[BoxingGenius27]

Floyd asked Arum for 10 million to fight Cotto Arum offered Floyd 7 mil so Floyd turned it down.And Floyd later said on Espn in a inteview that Cotto needs to build up his fanbase,leave Bob Arum then the fight can happen.And that`s exactly what happened.And in 2008 Floyd and Arum was suing each other so that`s another reason the fight did`nt happen and this year leading up to the Floyd /Cotto fight Cotto said he never pushed for a fight with Floyd back then.

I understand the 10 mil thing, but that was more geared toward fighting Margarito. I know what you're talking about and I acknowledge the package deal that you're talking about. But that offer that you're talking about was in 2006, not 2008 when Cotto was at his peak/prime.

Regarding Cotto never pushing for the deal, Floyd was his own boss back then. He made his own decisions then like he's making now, but he didn't push for the fight either.

The media, fans, ect all asked for that fight. Cotto said he would fight whoever was put in front of him. Back then all I remember is Floyd saying "Cotto's fan base wasn't big enough".

At the time, there was nothing in the tabloids that said anything about "Floyd try's to make fight with Cotto, but Arum is in the way", like what we've been seeing with Pac. I can show you all the articles written in 2008, while it happened, and I gaurantee you that the obstacle "at the time" was not Arum; it was "Cotto needs to build his fan base". Floyd never said anything about Arum.

The whole Floyd-Arum can't work together didn't really start until Pac-Floyd started negotiations.

[The Gambler1981]

Manny was then and Floyd is now.

Manny was ducking because he was on roids.

I don't know what fcuk Floyd's problem is now, but he's ducking right now; it's crazy.

I wouldn't say he is ducking right now, there is no possibility of the fight occurring until after the JMM fight, and with the jail thing it would have been kind of a rush job to do it year end. On top of that coming out of jail I am sure Floyd wanted to really enjoy the holiday season as opposed to training and just hanging out.

If we go back to the spring, Manny's team didn't seem real interested and while the offer Floyd made Manny directly might have been grandstanding, might have been low balling it could have been a starting point for real talks, instead Arum ran with it to try and spin the public relations battle back in his favor.

It does go back and forth and both deserve plenty of blame, of that there is no doubt.

What happens when both are free is more important than what gets said currently.

[Light_Speed]

I understand the 10 mil thing, but that was more geared toward fighting Margarito. I know what you're talking about and I acknowledge the package deal that you're talking about. But that offer that you're talking about was in 2006, not 2008 when Cotto was at his peak/prime.

Regarding Cotto never pushing for the deal, Floyd was his own boss back then. He made his own decisions then like he's making now, but he didn't push for the fight either.

The media, fans, ect all asked for that fight. Cotto said he would fight whoever was put in front of him. Back then all I remember is Floyd saying "Cotto's fan base wasn't big enough".

At the time, there was nothing in the tabloids that said anything about "Floyd try's to make fight with Cotto, but Arum is in the way", like what we've been seeing with Pac. I can show you all the articles written in 2008, while it happened, and I gaurantee you that the obstacle "at the time" was not Arum; it was "Cotto needs to build his fan base". Floyd never said anything about Arum.

The whole Floyd-Arum can't work together didn't really start until Pac-Floyd started negotiations.

Floyd didn't try to make this fight because Cotto was with Arum, why do you think the fight was made so quickly and easily when Cotto left TR?

[Oh you out son]

Thats not the point. Pac wasnt robbed against bradley. He just let the fight be so close, that it could have gone either way. Pac punched himself out in the early rounds, got weaker in the later rounds, and allowed Brad to take over. I dont think it was a ROBBERY, it was close, and Pac has himself to blame. But That combined with the bad fight he had with Juan, the circus fight he had with Shane, and the hidden ppv numbers, Pac stockd has decreased. You lose negotiation leverage from losses, bad performances, and low pv numbers. Pac got all of the above. Its a 60-40 split easily, but Floyd wants 100% because of health issues. You can call Floyd a duck, without lying and claiming that Pac still deserves 50% even with all of his latest flops. Back to back bad fights in his last 3 performances+low ppv numbers.

I agree Floyd deserves more. Pac would def agree to 60-40 but Floyd hasn't mad e that an option. At least now you actually can see and admit that Floyd is ducking Pac. As a boxing fan I can't stand it, but from Floyds point of view I can see his reasoning.

If he retires without Pac, people will talk about it for a long time that he ducked him. But many will later justify it considering his age. If he fights Pac and loses, which he must think is a strong possibility, his whole undefeated thing he prides himself on is gone, and his legacy takes a big hit (since much of it rides on his 0). Whereas, Pac has nothing to lose in that fight really, he already has lost, and would go in as the underdog. BUT, if Floyd won he would instantly get catapulted to top 10 ATG lists, you can believe that.

Moral of story, Floyd if you care about your legacy as a champion in this sport, take the damn fight, you will be more respected win or lose.

[Bullrider]

Whens the last time Manny stopped anybody? He cant even stop JWWs moving up to WW.

Yeah, that's the point. Businessman Floyd is still scared of the Pacman. Hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake. He still won't fight him. Easy fight, easy money. He just won't fight Pac.

[GRUSTLER]

Manny Pacquiao is a jack ass for signing with Bob Arum again. Floyd should be fighting more. Bob and Floyd hates each other but fight could have been done in 09 if Pacquiao would have agreed to take the tests he said that he has agreed to now. The more Manny makes statements about taking the lesser share the more Floyd balls get bigger and feeds his ego. Honestly man..... the fans should be mad as hell that this fight didn't happen. Not making excuses on why it shouldn't and who ducked who. Bob Arum played the people through the media like the pied piper. Floyd should not have retired as many times as he did just to get attention.

[WESS]

This is some bull**** from Mayweather.

WTF was Zab Judah? He took that fight no problem.

Who was Mayweather before fighting Hoya? Btw, Judah was a top 3 WW at that time. Pac has to this day never fought a top 3 WW let alone JMW. Floyd fought and beat the top 2 out of 3 WW’s when he moved up in weight.

What about Chop Chop Corely after he loss to Judah; he fought Corley no problem?

Again, who was Floyd before fighting Hoya? Remember the years of those fights too and remember the years that Bob Arum promoted him. If you remember Bob protected Floyd from Hoya as he protected Cotto from Mayweather. He also wouldn’t allow Floyd to fight Cotto, Hatton or Hoya. Bob just didn’t want them fights so Floyd left Bob and when Cotto left Bob, we finally got the fight. Only now it was at JMW rather than JWW or WW where Cotto held titles for a few months.

Cotto's status was nothing in May 2012 compared to what it was before he loss to Margarito. In fact, the only reason he made the Cotto fight was because the Pac fight fell through. Compared to 2008, that was "THE" only fight the fans wanted; instead he retired and opted to negotiate a 2nd fight with DLH.

Again, did you not witness the Pac Cotto II fight falling through? If Cotto had been under TR it would have happened. People wanted Mayweather Cotto at JWW but that didn't happen either. It certainly didn't happen after Floyd left TR. No fight has, yet people want to think Floyd is ducking certain fighters but over look the trend of who these fighters are represented by.

Man GTFOH lol Mayweather is on some other schit right now

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IMO Floyd's in predicament on who he can fight. Does he cherry pick guys who aren't even WW's and fight them at WW (like Pac is doing)?

Does he move up in weight? Not a good thing to do (at his age) if he plans on fighting at WW again.

Should he stay at WW and outclass every single fighter there which would be considered cherry picking guys that are too easy?

Stay at JMW and dominate that division which would be considered cherry picking and too easy?

Move up to MW like I am thinking he would do before retiring to claim a cheap ass MW title or simply loose to a much bigger fighter at MW?

IMO Floyd is wanting to retire just as bad as Pac and is only wanting fights that count. Bob has his agenda and until he exhausts all his options, he will not make the fight. Just like he didn't make Mayweather vs Hoya or Mayweather vs Cotto when BOTH where JWW's. In the meantime we can point fingers but even Pac's own team as made it clear about Bob's intentions.

[rasdun]

Hopkins fights with Jermaine Taylor and Winky did well on PPV and neither of those guys are big Draws.And Pacquiao PPV numbers for the 3rd Marquez fights and the Bradlley were not released by HBO.They were only released by Arum whose a known B,Ser.

And in the first negotiations Floyd offered Pacquiao 50 percent and a 14 day cutoff on testing which was more then generous cause Pac taking a 14 day test gives him a better chance at cheating the test then a random testing And Pac did not deserve 50 percent of the earnings but Pac is the one who turned it down claiming taking blood make him weak even though he has tattoos and even though he took a aids test a day before sparring for a Pacquiao fight and it was reported he looked sharp in training.


And Floyd is the one that moved up to 154 twice even though he`s not a 154 pounder putting himself at risk fighting bigger guys while Pacquiao weight drains them to get an advantage.

1st - Pac-Marquez III did well over a mil. I heard 1.4, eiether way it was a big #s. Bradley didnt do big $s but thats more bc bradley has no fan base at all. eiethr way, even if May's #s are alittl bigger, its anot a huge diff. 55-45 is more than fair to mkae up the difference esp considerin Pac will pull in bigger #s overseas PPVs
2nd -I acknowledge that Pac *****ed iut in '09 - but that was 3 yrs ago, and Mayweather been *****in out ever since. always a new excuse, testing even though Pac agreed over 2 yrs ago, purse split. If Pac agrees to 40% he'l find another excuse.
3rd - what does catchweights have anything to do wit anything? my point is that floyd wont challeneg himself by fightn Martinez or Pac.
Mayweather only went to 54 bc they were HUGE $ fights against guys past their prime - de la hoya and Cotto. if he fights Martinez, then he gets more credit. but he wont

[leonthegee]

Manny was then and Floyd is now.

Manny was ducking because he was on roids.

I don't know what fcuk Floyd's problem is now, but he's ducking right now; it's crazy.

I go by whats real. I dont go by the bickering going on in both camps. When I say real I mean number crunching. An offer was made in 09 and Mannys team pulled out. That tells me they dont want the fight. When Slob Arum makes a counter offer then maybe ill take Mannys team seriously. I dont care what fighters say in interviews. Mannys in no position to garuntee Floyd 55% of anything. Hes a fighter not a promoter.

[Bullrider]

Angelo Dundee, Joe Frazier, Emmanuel Steward, who's next?... They didn't live long enough to see the fight they wanted to see. Floyd disappointed a lot of people, living and dead. His fear is embarrassing.