Comments Thread For: Thomas Dulorme Plans To Drop To Junior Welterweight

[DoktorSleepless]

He has somewhat of a decent point though. If he's only weighing 153 on fight night, maybe he should experiment with 140. It'll only take him one training camp to know if 140 is/isn't the best division for him, so why not try? He's been consistently making 146, maybe he can afford to drop those 6lbs. We will see what happens. Guys like Berto/Ortiz do come into the ring as MWs though, but clearly Abregu isn't one of them. Dulorme gotta focus on developing his skill-set first, worry about the weight later.

Yeah, Abregu really wasn't a big welter himself, but the weight difference will be much bigger when he starts facing the Victor Ortizes of the world. He can probably make 140.

[ELHURACAN58]

Pedraza survived a reallly good scrap with a little Mexican fighter that landed plenty of punches on him, but could not break an egg. If that would have been anybody else Pedraza would have lost too.

Are you talking about the Gil Garcia fight? Pedraza dominated that fight, basically came out unhurt.

If there are any points to take off from the Garcia fight its that despite the outstanding accuracy Pedraza couldnt finish him off and by the end of the fight he looked tired.

[benjamin2004]

With all due respect man, I find it funny how as a PR fan and being from PR you can talk about not bringing up fighters the right way and throwing them to the wolves.

Welcome to the world of every Mexican fighter in the history of the sport. hahaha

I disagree with you on the trainer, I don't think he told him anything TACTICALLY that was helping at all. Step 1 in avoiding the right hand is slipping after you throw the jab, then you move to your right and then you KEEP YOUR LEFT UP.

He wasn't doing any of those things and had better success as a lefty because of the change of movement and it confused Abregu for a moment.

I don't know if this is true and I'm not trying to disrespect PR trainers but I have heard from a few PR fighters that good training in PR is hard to come by, is this true? I'm not sure and I can't imagine it because of the history PR has in this sport.

What's up Cuauhtémoc1520. What's funny about that, it's true, just cause I am PR does not mean I am biased and I do know that most Mexican boxers turn pro at around 15 just to eat and survive, I know that.

I think the trainer told him what he need to hear, put your hands up, move to the sides, move to his left, etc. Dulorme just didnt follow instructions. I do agree with what you are saying, but that is boxing 101, that, by now, should be natural to Dulorme, and it wasn't and to go ever further, a lot of PR prospects don't do it, most of them block the punches with the arms and the counter with the left or right hooks trying to timr the other guy kind of what Garcia does, but they wait until the other guys stops unlike Garcis that shoots with his opponent while his guard is committed.

I don't know about trainers in PR, but I will tell you what I've seen throughout the years, most of the trainers in PR are succesfull in the AM ranks, but once they get to the PRO ranks that are not as succesful and most of their fighters don't make it. Also, usually the same trainers are in the AM/PRO ranks for years and I don't think they stay current with new techniques and new strategies to get ot that next level. I think the last good trainer to have some succes was Cotto's incle with Cotto and Durango.

[benjamin2004]

Are you talking about the Gil Garcia fight? Pedraza dominated that fight, basically came out unhurt.

If there are any points to take off from the Garcia fight its that despite the outstanding accuracy Pedraza couldnt finish him off and by the end of the fight he looked tired.

I cant remember the name, although I dont think it was that one maybe the one before that one, because the one I'm talking about he did not came out clean. Pedraza dominated, but he got put hands on plenty of times flush and was lucky the other guy was not a hard puncher at all. In this one he could not finish the guy either.

[richardt]

Dropping weight is not good. He does not have much fat content anyway. And at 140, there are some serious power punchers. He can't expect to own the world with 15 fights. Give him 5-6 more fights and try stepping up again. People made him the favorite because they are wined, dined, and seduced by unbeaten records. Thats a lot of pressure. Abragu had nearly double the fights. Dulorme is a very good fighter and great guy.

[richardt]

Pedraza is a catcher. Easy to hit. Even the commentary mentioned that if the opponent had been able to punch, it could have been disasterous. They said he will pay when he steps up if he doesn't work on defence.

[richardt]

Guys like Del Vale and Dulorme have a future in the sport. They will learn from their loses. Not sure how far Jonathan Gonzalez will go but he fought well against Sergie Drinksomeink or however you spell his name and if Gonzalez had come into the fight in top shape, would have totally beaten down Sergie which is not bad considering Drinksomeink had over twice the number of fights. The PR fighters with 14, 15 or so fights do pretty well considering.

[ELHURACAN58]

What's up Cuauhtémoc1520. What's funny about that, it's true, just cause I am PR does not mean I am biased and I do know that most Mexican boxers turn pro at around 15 just to eat and survive, I know that.

I think the trainer told him what he need to hear, put your hands up, move to the sides, move to his left, etc. Dulorme just didnt follow instructions. I do agree with what you are saying, but that is boxing 101, that, by now, should be natural to Dulorme, and it wasn't and to go ever further, a lot of PR prospects don't do it, most of them block the punches with the arms and the counter with the left or right hooks trying to timr the other guy kind of what Garcia does, but they wait until the other guys stops unlike Garcis that shoots with his opponent while his guard is committed.

I don't know about trainers in PR, but I will tell you what I've seen throughout the years, most of the trainers in PR are succesfull in the AM ranks, but once they get to the PRO ranks that are not as succesful and most of their fighters don't make it. Also, usually the same trainers are in the AM/PRO ranks for years and I don't think they stay current with new techniques and new strategies to get ot that next level. I think the last good trainer to have some succes was Cotto's incle with Cotto and Durango.

Historically speaking isnt a puerto rican trainer usually a family member or a close family relative of the fighter?

It seemed to be the case with Tito, Cotto, Benitez.

I agree with throwing these guys to the wolves early. A lot of the champs in Puerto Rico's history became champs at an early age.

Benitez at 17
Gomez at 20
Tito at 20
Camacho at 21
Rosario at 20
Escalera at 23
Serrano at 23
Laporte at 22
Sanchez at 20
De Leon at 21

There probably a few more. Reality is puerto ricans have historically been thrown to the wolves early, the difference is that back then we came out on top, and today we are getting sent back to the drawing board. Is this because boxing today is harder than back then? Or are we just lacking the talent we had?

One thing is for sure. This month a puerto rican got thrown to the wolves and came out on top, and that is Bomba Gonzalez who after fighting guys with losing records (he once took a fight two weeks after his last), he fought a mexican with a great chin and dominated him. Despite having great punching power he boxed his ass off to win. Thats what we need, guys that dont fall in love with their strenghts and focus on limiting their weaknesses.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

What's up Cuauhtémoc1520. What's funny about that, it's true, just cause I am PR does not mean I am biased and I do know that most Mexican boxers turn pro at around 15 just to eat and survive, I know that.

I think the trainer told him what he need to hear, put your hands up, move to the sides, move to his left, etc. Dulorme just didnt follow instructions. I do agree with what you are saying, but that is boxing 101, that, by now, should be natural to Dulorme, and it wasn't and to go ever further, a lot of PR prospects don't do it, most of them block the punches with the arms and the counter with the left or right hooks trying to timr the other guy kind of what Garcia does, but they wait until the other guys stops unlike Garcis that shoots with his opponent while his guard is committed.

I don't know about trainers in PR, but I will tell you what I've seen throughout the years, most of the trainers in PR are succesfull in the AM ranks, but once they get to the PRO ranks that are not as succesful and most of their fighters don't make it. Also, usually the same trainers are in the AM/PRO ranks for years and I don't think they stay current with new techniques and new strategies to get ot that next level. I think the last good trainer to have some succes was Cotto's incle with Cotto and Durango.

You make some good points man, sh.it I might move to PR and make a career down there.

You think they will accept me? Hahaha

[rey guey]

you know if Dulorme was with Golden Boy he probably would have fought Carlos Baldomir and Jose Cotto instead of Abregu.


Golden Boy learned after Ortiz vs Maidana not to put their prospects in against hard punching Argentines