It is INTELLECTUALLY & ANALYTICALLY DISHONEST to rank fighters with NO FIGHT FOOTAGE

[SplitSecond]

Imagine Floyd fighting in the 1920's..he would be 235-0

floyd has no where the durability to fight that often

[bojangles1987]

Imagine Floyd fighting in the 1920's..he would be 235-0

In the 1920s Floyd would have had to fight everyone, and fight once a month. He would have retired seven times.

[bojangles1987]

Probably the funniest thing about this thread is that the vast majority of the fighters considered the best ever are not white and did fight in a time where we had footage of them. TS is trying to make it sound like the top 10 is almost all white guys who fought before 1930.

[New England]

you sound like a racist to me..

[New England]

Jake Lamotta,Jack Dempsey fighters are ranked so high yet today they would be journymen

contemporary journeyman HW are almost uniformly obese...


jack dempsey would kill them. i'd pick him to lose against the great modern HW, but he'd kill the fat ****s you see waddling around today at club fights. he'd literally kill them. he was a mean bastard in the ring with a good punch who was basically a pure aggressor.

[New England]

Yes it is. This is why you can't really make an exact ATG list.

A lot of boxing articles from past are extremely exaggerated. Some of them look like Ronnie Nathaniels wrote them.

you know damn well larry and the TS have never read said articles. and comparing the professional journalists at a fight in the golden age of boxing, when it was the most popular sport on the planet, to the moms basement, internet age of reporters in todays boxing, is also laughable.


boxing journalists today don't even get paid for the most part.
the articles that you'd be reading about these guys, that would have survived the decades, are from major newspapers and world class sportswriters. they'd literally be the best of the best. baseball, boxing, and horse racing. no real order, it just depends on the time of year.

[The Surgeon]

Race isn't a factor in my eyes. Most of a top 50 list would be filled by NON white fighters after all. While we might not have had any fight footage of Harry Greb we can be sure he was an ATG - Look at the man's record. Perople who saw him and who saw other ATG fighters who DO have footage to back them up have claimed Greb the best they ever saw. Men like Archie Moore. Boxing was far bigger then than now, there were more licenced fighters in New York City then than there is in the world today. It took more to rise to the top of that type of talent pool. The game has changed and it is in the interest of safety, we cant have our fighters having THAT many fights over all those rounds. Athletes are improving all the time, boxing is no different but in terms of skills they are probably declining! Also how would Pep or someone like that look all juiced up on todays PEDS which are clearly rife and have been for some time? Would a fighter like Floyd (a Definitive ATG IMO) be able to cope with his bad hands in an era where they fought so often? All a fighter can do is try to prove himself the best of his era

[croz]

In the 1920s Floyd would have had to fight everyone, and fight once a month. He would have retired seven times.

Anyone who fought once a month picked on cans with 0-20 losing records. I'm sure he would have been fine picking off that kind of opposition.

[croz]

you know damn well larry and the TS have never read said articles. and comparing the professional journalists at a fight in the golden age of boxing, when it was the most popular sport on the planet, to the moms basement, internet age of reporters in todays boxing, is also laughable.


boxing journalists today don't even get paid for the most part.
the articles that you'd be reading about these guys, that would have survived the decades, are from major newspapers and world class sportswriters. they'd literally be the best of the best. baseball, boxing, and horse racing. no real order, it just depends on the time of year.

Boxing was never the most popular sport on the planet, not even in the US. Boxing didn't start properly growing on an international level until after Muhammad Ali retired when suddenly every country on Earth wanted their own Ali.

This was said about the health of boxing back in 1937
Jack Dempsey knows his own game. When he says boxing will be washed up within a year, unless something's done, he's talking straight from his heart. "It isn't boxing anymore, he complains, "but just a big lawsuit."
Still, when Jack thinks the evils of his former occupation can be cleaned up by appointing a czar-someone like judge landis, who runs organised baseball, there is room for doubt

Here's an article of 1941 which says people have been saying boxing is dead for years:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...-is-dead&hl=en

These are hardly words to be directed at the biggest sport on the planet.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Im sorry but i cannot respect nor find it credible any ATG list that has highly ranked fighters with no fight footage over fighters with extensive video evidence.

It is intellectually and analytically dishonest and its done by the vanguards of old school golden age fighters to preserve their history.

The most glaring example is this guy:



How can you take this seriously? How can you take a guy with two sets of records; offiicial & newspaper record, seriously?


Historians and older boxing fans love to talk about the "Golden Age" of boxing and how pure and so much better it was when in reality the golden age of boxing was the most crooked era in all of boxing.

Referees as judge, jury, and executioner. Mob Controlled fights. Black fighters not given title opportunities and when given get royally screwed. How can a black fighter get a fair shake in the "Golden Era" when he cant even get a fair shake when it comes to his most basic civil rights?



When we see list done by boxing "historians" its littered with past great white hopes.








Its all done to preserve history.

There's a reason why as civil rights started getting momentum, the number of great white fighters started declining. In fact, this happened in almost all sports especially basketball and baseball.

Today is not as bad and back then wasnt all its cracked up to be.

Slavery never existed because there is no extensive video footage of it.