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Do you agree with ESPN as Pacquiao #4 P4P?
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Originally posted by Check_hooks View PostPac should be #1 and it isn't even close
Cotto beat floyd but got robbed
Ward beat Dawson who wasn't at his proper weight and was overrated to being with
Martinez beat JCC JR who is a nothing more than a green prospect and almost got KTFO in the last round
Pac is 1
Ward or Donaire should be 2
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Originally posted by gmc_rfc_06 View PostBias to what exactly? I don't give a **** about Pacquiao and Mayweather.
JMM didn't belong above 135 and moving up to take that fight, people expected him to get KO'd....he instead should have won. Bradley also fought one time at 147, before moving back to 140 for his next two. Yeah he called people out, but he still wasn;t a 147lb fighter.
Those two guys were out of their weight classes and JMM still clearly won. #4 is correct.
Okay you said your not bias but my point to you is Pac did not force Bradley and JMM to moved up in weight. It don't matter if they don't belong in the WW division, they decided themselves. Pac moved up to WW and stayed there. Dela Hoya didn't force Pac and Floyd to move up in weight to fight him. JMM have a history with Pac and so why he followed up in weight. Bradley on the other hand, that if he beats Pac, he thinks he would be like Pac/Floyd when they beat Oscar.
Nobody force Dawson to go down against Ward or BHOP against Tarver.
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Ortiz wasn't even a Top 20. Pacquiao won a close decision to Marquez (p4p top 6), robbed against Bradley. I can accept Ward being #1. He cleaned his division. But...Why's Floyd Mayweather #1. But...WTH... we know that's Fat Rafael's madness!
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Originally posted by Check_hooks View PostPac should be #1 and it isn't even close
Cotto beat floyd but got robbed
Ward beat Dawson who wasn't at his proper weight and was overrated to being with
Martinez beat JCC JR who is a nothing more than a green prospect and almost got KTFO in the last round
Pac is 1
Ward or Donaire should be 2
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Pacquiao in reality was only number 1 for like a few months til Floyd came back (and even then some people can debate it)... If there's a number one and two...fighting in the same weight class...number two should never move ahead of number one without beating him, so there's that... that would make sense especially since he beat the same dudes number one used to get there...so nothing really new there...aside from some weak opposition tossed in. Pac hasn't been number 1 for years.. ever to some. I agree with him being lower than Floyd, but it's a toss up from there. Martinez and Ward have put in work consistently, with every performance topping the last. Donaire had a good win over Nishioka, but he was kind of in stasis prior to that. How highly would you value Wladimir? Can you in good faith have Pac higher than JMM if you feel JMM beat him? What about Bradley? Does anyone even care about him anymore? Do you count an official win over Pac? Do you honestly feel he was even legitimately in the top 10 p4p and not just there to hype him up for said Pac fight? It's all subjective. Hell, even if Pac knocks out Marquez, or vice versa does anyone even CARE anymore? In the grand scheme of things they're not shaking up the "p4p" rankings by just fighting each other. JMM is older but he can just fight Pac. Dude could come off 20 straight KO losses and still go in there and give Manny hell. S hit, these guys are on the list partly in thanks to each other. :|Last edited by NearHypnos; 10-28-2012, 08:45 PM.
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Anybody disagree with the Klitschko brothers, Bradley, and Cotto in the top 10? If you can replace those 4, who would you put?
Froch, even though he lost to Ward, he did beat Bute.
Viloria has good wins, specially Segura.
Marco Huck, even though he officially lost, both media and fans have him beating Povetkin.
Mike Garcia, knocking out Khan.
Ansel Moreno
Who else?
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