Matthysse vs Alexander & Judah RBR!

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pace doesn't matter. punches matter. how are you in control if you are outlanded by a wide margin in power shots? judah was the one hitting air all night with his jab. well occasionally he hit lucas's gloves. jab, move, get hit, jab, move, get hit, jab, move, get hit, yeah that's some great boxing. how does he do it? good boxing would be jab and actually hit your opponent with the jab, move, then hit him some more while not getting hit with power shots, not sure why that's so hard to understand. you don't simply win because you are moving around the ring. you have to actually do something(hit your opponent) i guess hakkar was schooling hopkins?

lol..that's the thing. He was landing his jab. If your not going to acknowledge him using his jab effectively what's the point of debating? It's the weapon of choice that earned him the split decision victory.

Ring generalship is controlling the action in the fight with skills beyond straight punching power and forcing an opponent into a style of fight that he is not skilled in. Judah used his jab and his movement to control the pace of the fight and forced the power punching brawler to fight a tactical chess match during the early part of the fight. So yes, you can control the fight and be awarded points even if your not the harder puncher. Unless your constantly tagging your opponent with clean power shots, but that was not the case. And he was doing a great job of moving away from and rolling Matthysses power shots.

And your description of Matthysse landing these power shots at will could not be further from the truth. His body attack was effective early in the fight but I favored Judah's boxing in those early rounds. Matthysse did not seize control of this fight until the 10th round and by then it was too late.


And I like the Hakkar/Hopkins reference. Your sarcasm is quite amusing, I must say.

But I'm not changing your mind and your not changing mine. It was a close fight, I felt Judah won, I've stated my case and clearly the 3 judges at ringside saw the same thing.

I'll give you the Alexander fight but classifying the Judah fight as a robbery could not be further from the truth.

[dibzvincent143]

TS please do your RBR cards so you can actually back up a little of what u r talking about. people here are asking why you think that way and presents their RBR and youtube replays and you didn't do anything but continue to troll. please GTFO.

[Canelo Phresh]

DanCov is one of the good ones.

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lol..that's the thing. He was landing his jab. If your not going to acknowledge him using his jab effectively what's the point of debating? It's the weapon of choice that earned him the split decision victory.

Ring generalship is controlling the action in the fight with skills beyond straight punching power and forcing an opponent into a style of fight that he is not skilled in. Judah used his jab and his movement to control the pace of the fight and forced the power punching brawler to fight a tactical chess match during the early part of the fight. So yes, you can control the fight and be awarded points even if your not the harder puncher. Unless your constantly tagging your opponent with clean power shots, but that was not the case. And he was doing a great job of moving away from and rolling Matthysses power shots.

And your description of Matthysse landing these power shots at will could not be further from the truth. His body attack was effective early in the fight but I favored Judah's boxing in those early rounds. Matthysse did not seize control of this fight until the 10th round and by then it was too late.


And I like the Hakkar/Hopkins reference. Your sarcasm is quite amusing, I must say.

But I'm not changing your mind and your not changing mine. It was a close fight, I felt Judah won, I've stated my case and clearly the 3 judges at ringside saw the same thing.

I'll give you the Alexander fight but classifying the Judah fight as a robbery could not be further from the truth.

you had judah winning by 1 point. you had judah winning the 9th round(impossible) you would have lucas winning if you were in your right mind but are too stubborn to change your mind.

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you had judah winning by 1 point. you had judah winning the 9th round(impossible) you would have lucas winning if you were in your right mind but are too stubborn to change your mind.

Yeah, great observation. That's usually the case in a "close fight". Changing your opinion on one or two rounds will swing the decision the other way.

It is what it is. I manned up and posted my scorecard and I stand by it. Sure some rounds could have gone either way. Never said they couldn't.

But Zab won this fight fair and square. If you disagree than just trust your eyes and be content with giving Matthysse a moral victory.

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Yeah, great observation. That's usually the case in a "close fight". Changing your opinion on one or two rounds will swing the decision the other way.

It is what it is. I manned up and posted my scorecard and I stand by it. Sure some rounds could have gone either way. Never said they couldn't.

But Zab won this fight fair and square. If you disagree than just trust your eyes and be content with giving Matthysse a moral victory.

lucas won at least 6 rounds. those rounds were not close at all. about 3 rounds were sorta close although lucas probably had the edge in a couple of those. even if you gave zab all the somewhat close rounds just because you aren't a very good judge you would still have zab losing if you scored all the easy rounds right. it's not possible to have zab winning unless you fundamentally don't know how to score boxing or you fundamentally love zab.

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lucas won at least 6 rounds. those rounds were not close at all. about 3 rounds were sorta close although lucas probably had the edge in a couple of those. even if you gave zab all the somewhat close rounds just because you aren't a very good judge you would still have zab losing if you scored all the easy rounds right. it's not possible to have zab winning unless you fundamentally don't know how to score boxing or you fundamentally love zab.

1. You said that already

2. I disagree and said why

3. Lol @ the childish "only a ............would score a fight this way" debate tactic. And you got the nerve to call me stubborn.


I made my case. Many will disagree. Deal with it. On that note I'm done with this topic.

Props to the thread starter though.

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1. You said that already

2. I disagree and said why

3. Lol @ the childish "only a ............would score a fight this way" debate tactic. And you got the nerve to call me stubborn.


I made my case. Many will disagree. Deal with it. On that note I'm done with this topic.

Props to the thread starter though.

Big prop's to you for stating your case.

[John Barron]

here were my scorecards for both fights:

matthysse-alexander

10-9 M
9-10
10-9
10-8
10-9
10-9
10-9
10-9
9-10
10-9

98-91 MATTHYSSE


matthysse-judah

10-9 J
10-9
9-10
9-10
10-9
9-10
9-10
10-9
9-10
8-10
9-10
9-10

111-116 MATTHYSSE

the judah fight was pretty close depending on how you scored the close rounds, there were 3 in my eyes. i don't see how alexander could've won that fight though.

[deanrw]

When I watched the Zab/Lucas fight (which I only watched the one time btw) I remember watching it seeing Zab build up a fairly big lead, then Lucas started chipping away at it. After the knockdown I was saying whoa, Lucas can win this. After the fight it felt razor thin to me. I felt that Lucas deserved the nod, but so close. A Draw to me would have been fair also as there was some swing rounds. I didn't have any big issue with Zab getting it though for the same reason. The fight was close. Lucas was still kinda green and has fought much better since.

The Devon/Lucas fight to me felt rather one sided in Lucas's favor. I got a bitter feeling after that decision. I think I gave Devon like 5 rounds and one of those 5 could have went in Lucas's favor. So I either scored it with Lucas 3 or 5 points ahead. I cannot remember exactly though