Holmes, bowe, witherspoon, ali to a degree at least later in hi his career , none were body beautifules like mike weaver, bruce seldon or frank bruno yet all of them had good or even great career. Super cut guys sometimes lack stamina, and well defined muslces do not always translate to power in boxing............ James toney is indeed fat yet his career is going well............. Carl williams had a good build yet he never went all the way................ Seldon, his biceps might explode , yet he lost most of his major bouts................

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