Surprise, surprise, Donaire continues to duck Rigo. .

[deejd]

Awful example, K9 is not worldclass he's a ESPN level fighter who got a win against a washed up Spinks. Spinks is coming off a KO loss, his 2nd in 2 years. These guys are supposed to be the equivalent of Nishioka or Arce at 154?

Cory Spinks was world class and K9 beat a world class fighter, twice. Matter of fact, it's your formula, remember?

Being a prime champion doesn't mean **** if you don't have any good fighter on your resume. Fading worldclass fighter > unproven prime fighter.

They aren't bad examples at all, it's just that you're giving too much credit to the Japanese beast. Rafa was 37 and had quit against JuanMa before fighting Nishi... quit against JuanMa, let me reiterate.... JuanMa beat Marquez. Gonzalez couldn't make the weight anymore. The moment guy stepped off his home turf against a live opponent, he got drubbed.

Answer the question, it's simple:

Is Canelo fighting K9 or Spinks better than Canelo fighting Trout or Lara?


Or are we avoiding it since that seems to be the reccurring theme?

[Light_Speed]

Cory Spinks was world class and K9 beat a world class fighter, twice. Matter of fact, it's your formula, remember?

There's a difference between "fading" and "washed up". Nishioka was a fading champion, Spinks was washed up.

They aren't bad examples at all, it's just that you're giving too much credit to the Japanese beast. Rafa was 37 and had quit against JuanMa before fighting Nishi... quit against JuanMa, let me reiterate.... JuanMa beat Marquez. Gonzalez couldn't make the weight anymore. The moment guy stepped off his home turf against a live opponent, he got drubbed.

The fight was close then Marquez quit because of an injury. He hurt Lopez more than Lopez hurt him.

Gonzalez wasn't a live opponent?

Answer the question, it's simple:

Is Canelo fighting K9 or Spinks better than Canelo fighting Trout or Lara?


Or are we avoiding it since that seems to be the reccurring theme?

That question is pointless, you're trying to draw a parallel with the Donaire/Nishioka/Rigondeaux situation but you failed miserably. K9 is not a worldclass fighter and he's not the #1 ranked fighter in his weightclass. Spinks is washed up. Lara actually fought elite fighters and should have a win over Williams. Even Trout's win over Rodriguez is better than anything Rigo has done. Rigo is a novice, he makes Canelo look like he has a ATG resume.

Try again.

[deejd]

There's a difference between "fading" and "washed up". Nishioka was a fading champion, Spinks was washed up.

The second fight against K9, I agree. The first fight, not at all. If Spinks was washed up then, Marquez and Gonzalez were when they fought Nishi and PWill was when he fought Lara.

The fight was close then Marquez quit because of an injury. He hurt Lopez more than Lopez hurt him.

Gonzalez wasn't a live opponent?

Yeah, Lopez was so hurt that he kept walking Marquez down, staying in his grill landing punches constantly, he was clearly hurt.

As live as Morales was in the trilogy fight. Gonzalez was considering retirement after getting sparked by Penalosa.

That question is pointless, you're trying to draw a parallel with the Donaire/Nishioka/Rigondeaux situation but you failed miserably. K9 is not a worldclass fighter and he's not the #1 ranked fighter in his weightclass. Spinks is washed up. Lara actually fought elite fighters and should have a win over Williams. Even Trout's win over Rodriguez is better than anything Rigo has done. Rigo is a novice, he makes Canelo look like he has a ATG resume.

Try again.

Who are these elite fighters Lara fought? Brewer? Molina? Hearns? If you consider PWill elite knowing what he went through in his previous three fights, then you have to consider Spinks elite as well for K9 in their first bout, at least. And if we're considering Lara as a proven, legit fighter with the résumé he has, Rigo must be as well. This is what I mean by you moving the goal posts.

Wow, even Trout is considered better than Rigo with his résumé? Now it's blatantly obvious that you have a bias for Donaire. To believe that Nishi was the best guy in the division that Donaire could have possibly fought last Saturday... you'd have to be a stan. All's I ask is that you think for yourself from here on out and not be a ventriloquist dummy for Donaire. Never thought it would get to you, Light... disappointing.

Anyway, answer the question:

Is Canelo fighting K9 or Cory Spinks better than Canelo fighting Trout or Lara?

[Light_Speed]

The second fight against K9, I agree. The first fight, not at all. If Spinks was washed up then, Marquez and Gonzalez were when they fought Nishi and PWill was when he fought Lara.

Even in the first fight Spinks was washed up, he lost and got a close decision against B level fighters. Marquez lost to an elite fighter before he fought Nishioka, Williams lost an elite fighter before he fought Lara.

Yeah, Lopez was so hurt that he kept walking Marquez down, staying in his grill landing punches constantly, he was clearly hurt.

LOL that's because Lopez is a dumb fighter. He keeps coming forward even when he's hurt, did you watch the Salido fights?

As live as Morales was in the trilogy fight. Gonzalez was considering retirement after getting sparked by Penalosa.

What was your prediction before the fight? Do you know what "live opponent" means? If he wasn't a live opponent that means most people expected him to lose to Nishioka.

Who are these elite fighters Lara fought? Brewer? Molina? Hearns? If you consider PWill elite knowing what he went through in his previous three fights, then you have to consider Spinks elite as well for K9 in their first bout, at least. And if we're considering Lara as a proven, legit fighter with the résumé he has, Rigo must be as well. This is what I mean by you moving the goal posts.

Molina and Williams ARE elite. Williams previous three fights : he beat the current middleweight kingpin and top 5 P4P fighter Martinez, he won a technical decision over Cintron who fell through the ropes early (inconclusive fight) and he got knocked out by Martinez. A KO loss doesn't make you not elite, especially if it's at the hands of a great fighter you previously beat.

Molina is elite, he whooped Chavez Jr (robbed), Cintron and Kirkland (screwed by the ref). His fight with Lara was close enough to go either way but Molina is top 5 in his division, even a draw against him is better than anthing Rigo has on his resume.

Lara is more proven than Rigo, a lot of fighters are. That's how much of a novice Rigo is in the pro game.

Wow, even Trout is considered better than Rigo with his résumé? Now it's blatantly obvious that you have a bias for Donaire. To believe that Nishi was the best guy in the division that Donaire could have possibly fought last Saturday... you'd have to be a stan. All's I ask is that you think for yourself from here on out and not be a ventriloquist dummy for Donaire. Never thought it would get to you, Light... disappointing.

Who has Rigo beat that's better P4P than Delvin Rodriguez? You probably don't know much about Rodriguez either. It's alright, go do your homework and come back when you're better prepared.

Anyway, answer the question:

Is Canelo fighting K9 or Cory Spinks better than Canelo fighting Trout or Lara?

This question has nothing to do with the Rigo/Donaire/Nishi situation but I'll answer : no.

[deejd]

Even in the first fight Spinks was washed up, he lost and got a close decision against B level fighters. Marquez lost to an elite fighter before he fought Nishioka, Williams lost an elite fighter before he fought Lara.

And Marquez was an A-level, elite, world-class fighter when Nishi fought him? That's reaching, way too far. And how can Lopez be considered elite at the time he fought Marquez? None of the guys he fought leading up to him with the exception of Penalosa were elite, not even PDL when they fought. You're calling the guys Spinks lost to B-level fighters, but claiming that JuanMa and Lara are elite when their résumés don't look that much better than Spinks'. Let me find out Bernabe sets the bar that high.

LOL that's because Lopez is a dumb fighter. He keeps coming forward even when he's hurt, did you watch the Salido fights?

Doesn't change the fact that he kept coming forward and landing hard punches of his own. He was winning the Marquez fight on all three scorecards at the time it was stopped. And yes I watched the Salido fights, if anything that tells how past it Marquez was.

What was your prediction before the fight? Do you know what "live opponent" means? If he wasn't a live opponent that means most people expected him to lose to Nishioka.

Nobody was sleeping on Nishi, at the time of that fight, everybody wasn't sold on Gonzalez, especially since he had already spoke of retirement in his last KO loss.

Molina and Williams ARE elite. Williams previous three fights : he beat the current middleweight kingpin and top 5 P4P fighter Martinez, he won a technical decision over Cintron who fell through the ropes early (inconclusive fight) and he got knocked out by Martinez. A KO loss doesn't make you not elite, especially if it's at the hands of a great fighter you previously beat.

Molina is elite, he whooped Chavez Jr (robbed), Cintron and Kirkland (screwed by the ref). His fight with Lara was close enough to go either way but Molina is top 5 in his division, even a draw against him is better than anthing Rigo has on his resume.

First of all, Molina is not elite. You don't get credit for being robbed. And if you check the boards, nobody considers hugging another man for 10 rounds, elite. On top of that, when has anyone on NSB ever considered JCC Jr. elite? Is Alvarado an elite fighter? No, he isn't and Molina took an L against him as well.

Again, you're looking at the name Paul Williams [moving goal posts, you say one guy gets robbed to make him look good, but conveniently leave out the fact that another received a gift]. He had two terrible performances after the first Martinez fight [you know, the fight where you moved the goal posts to give PWill credit], going into the Lara fight, he was no longer the same PWill.

Lara is more proven than Rigo, a lot of fighters are. That's how much of a novice Rigo is in the pro game.

You considered Lara elite, if you do that, than Rigo must be elite as well since Lara's resume isn't that much better Rigo's.

Who has Rigo beat that's better P4P than Delvin Rodriguez? You probably don't know much about Rodriguez either. It's alright, go do your homework and come back when you're better prepared.

No homework needs to be done. I know a ton about Rodriquez considering he's been on ESPN for the latter part of his career; there's a reason why.

This question has nothing to do with the Rigo/Donaire/Nishi situation but I'll answer : no.

No, Canelo fighting K-9 or Spinks isn't better than Canelo fighting Trout or Lara? Is that what you're saying.

Canelo = Donaire (typically fights older, naturally smaller guys but is talented enough to beat better opposition)

Rigo = Trout/Lara (Champion with unproven résumé/Cuban with unproven résumé)

Nishi = K-9/Spinks (Old irrelevant champion/Faded former champion)

Scrap the #1 guy talk, because I believe you're smart enough to have thought for yourself last week and said "you know what, Nishi isn't the the best fighter Donaire could be facing on Saturday."

[deejd]

Donaire is ducking Rigo

...but he's rich so it's negated, it works for Floyd right?

Funny how the double standards work here for posters. It's sad.

[!! Shawn]

Even in the first fight Spinks was washed up, he lost and got a close decision against B level fighters. Marquez lost to an elite fighter before he fought Nishioka, Williams lost an elite fighter before he fought Lara.


LOL that's because Lopez is a dumb fighter. He keeps coming forward even when he's hurt, did you watch the Salido fights?


What was your prediction before the fight? Do you know what "live opponent" means? If he wasn't a live opponent that means most people expected him to lose to Nishioka.


Molina and Williams ARE elite. Williams previous three fights : he beat the current middleweight kingpin and top 5 P4P fighter Martinez, he won a technical decision over Cintron who fell through the ropes early (inconclusive fight) and he got knocked out by Martinez. A KO loss doesn't make you not elite, especially if it's at the hands of a great fighter you previously beat.

Molina is elite, he whooped Chavez Jr (robbed), Cintron and Kirkland (screwed by the ref). His fight with Lara was close enough to go either way but Molina is top 5 in his division, even a draw against him is better than anthing Rigo has on his resume.

Lara is more proven than Rigo, a lot of fighters are. That's how much of a novice Rigo is in the pro game.


Who has Rigo beat that's better P4P than Delvin Rodriguez? You probably don't know much about Rodriguez either. It's alright, go do your homework and come back when you're better prepared.


This question has nothing to do with the Rigo/Donaire/Nishi situation but I'll answer : no.

Your Idol's master said that Rigondeaux was the best fighter he ever trained.

[deejd]

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