Worse trainer - Freddie Roach (2012) or Billy Graham (2007)

[elfag]

In 2007, Hatton beat Urango for the IBF title in January, stopped Jose Luis Castillo in 4 rounds in June before being subjected to the FMJ/Cortez double act in December. He coached Matthew Hatton to three wins that year too.

If you want a poor Hatton coach, look no further than FM Sr. who was so unprofessional he wouldn't even turn up on time.


In 2012 Roach's main fighter won his bout v Bradley, JCC Jr almost scored an upset despite training in his living room. Khan beat Peterson and then wouldn't listen to Roach's instructions v Garcia.


Maybe time to look past the coaches?

Youre not seperating fact from emotion. FM sr was a **** but he had Hatton outbox a slick boxer in paulie M. Not outwrestle him or wear him down but outbox him, fighting Paulie M's fight and beating him at it. Urango was a good win but Castillo after his wars with Corrales at 140 pounds, really? That matchup was highly criticized.

[Weebler I]

Youre not seperating fact from emotion. FM sr was a **** but he had Hatton outbox a slick boxer in paulie M. Not outwrestle him or wear him down but outbox him, fighting Paulie M's fight and beating him at it. Urango was a good win but Castillo after his wars with Corrales at 140 pounds, really? That matchup was highly criticized.

You're not acknowledging facts. 2 wins from 3 for Graham in 2007 with RH, 3 from 3 for his brother. It can't be considered a bad year, especially when the defeat was against the pfp #1 on the road in the US.

Hatton (08 version) beats Malignaggi with or without Sr. but for the Pacquiao fight Sr. wouldn't even turn up on time and would rather go to fast food joints than train his fighter with the consequence Hatton ended up overtraining because he couldn't rely on him.

Sorry but that's unprofessional poor coaching whatever way you cut it.

[koboy]

Buddy McGirt (2011?) is the worst trainer!

[fvanesbeck]

If people are going to bring Chavez into this debate then I might refer you to 24/7 where it was apparent that Roach was not always training him for the Martinez fight(however, I think he could've had Eddie Futch & Angelo Dundee in his corner and he'd still have been schooled).

Also, Roach was never going to sustain as much success as he was having in the last few years, it just happened that a couple of his big name fighters put in some poor performances within a few months of one another.

The only actual disappointment of all the big name fighters was Khan, as Chavez was an underdog anyway and Pacquiao was the victim of a bad decision.

[FlatLine]

Buddy McGirt (2011?) is the worst trainer!

I remember Malignaggi despised McGirt for stopping the Hatton fight in 08. I think he fired him on the spot in the ring that night.

[BennyST]

Youre not seperating fact from emotion. FM sr was a **** but he had Hatton outbox a slick boxer in paulie M. Not outwrestle him or wear him down but outbox him, fighting Paulie M's fight and beating him at it. Urango was a good win but Castillo after his wars with Corrales at 140 pounds, really? That matchup was highly criticized.

I think you're overanalysing the impact the trainers had. Hatton didn't get anything from Floyd Sr and probably got thrown into more disarray because of the drastic change. It sure showed up in his performances post Floyd. He looked tired after Floyd. Nothing to do with trainers. Floyd Sr didn't fix any of his glaring defensive errors, nor could he even change what both of them knew about Pac.....right hook, roll under. The fact that F. Sr knew this was Pac's biggest weapon against the left hook, and couldn't present Hatton with an option to take advantage of it, or even get Hatton to feint with it first, just shows what impact his 'training' had on Hatton.

[codey]

Buddy McGirt (2011?) is the worst trainer!

co-sign ^^

[Canelo Phresh]

Are we allowed to criticize roach yet?

[FlatLine]

Are we allowed to criticize roach yet?

i think it's only right at this stage. he's a good personality to have in the sport imo and i'd like to hear roach commentating or something in the future, but as a trainer he's fallen off in a big way as far as i see it.

[Barn]

i think it's only right at this stage. he's a good personality to have in the sport imo and i'd like to hear roach commentating or something in the future, but as a trainer he's fallen off in a big way as far as i see it.

is that a joke?