Worse trainer - Freddie Roach (2012) or Billy Graham (2007)

[FlatLine]

Is Freddie Roach a worse trainer now (in 2012) than Billy Graham was when he trained Hatton for the Mayweather fight (in 2007) or are they about even would you say?

I think Roach has fallen off in a major way personally, there's not really much more dimension to his younger fighters these days than there was in a prime Ricky Hatton.

Roach even said in a recent interview that he wasn't even going to have a proper game plan for Pacquiao in the Marquez 4 fight because he admitted that his game plans didn't work in the past fights.

[Derranged]

Could the aggravation Roach's Parkinson's be affecting the training? Because his condition has clearly worsened.

[ThePunchingBag]

You can't really go from trainer of the year to become worst trainer.

Sure Parkinsons might have something to do with it but we're only talking about this because everyone Roach trains is a high profile fighter. We're not talking about the poor shmuck who's training a whole bunch of mid-tier fighters who haven't notched a W all year.

Roach gets recognition for not meeting expectations even though he is one of the best trainers the sport has to offer. That's all there is to it.

[-Lowkey-]

It's not Roach's fault Khan has a glass jaw.

It's not Roach's fault Chavez is a pot head who was up against a vastly superior fighter.

It's not Roach's fault Manny got jobbed against Bradley.

Roach gets criticized way to much on here, he is still a good trainer.

[codey]

Roach is a great Coach period

Pacquiao was robbed
Khan's an amateur with a glass chin
Juniors a lazy bum.

you can lead a horse to water but you can't force him to drink.

[lx!!]

I've always thought that roach wasn't all that great. I just never hear him give any tactical advice. "We gotta knock this guy out, we gotta put him on his ass" that's all that ever seems to come out his instructions.

[ElBossHogg™]

nope the only reason raoch is training is suffering is cause he has no real brawlers other then pacquaio and he method of training well should I say coaching is to only go forward and be first. I believe he trains them well and teach them stuff but his game plan he devolps is always the same go forward and dont let the other guy get off first.

I was gonna create a video of roach since way back and it would be a compilation of him in the corner and only thing he always tell them is dont let him back up you or be first. that all he ever tells them. So yes he trains them well they learn but his coaching and gameplan sucks.

[warp1432]

Jack Lowe.

[elfag]

Roach has too many big name fighters at once in addition to running his own gym and all of the lower level fighters. Too many distractions. We've already seen it when he wanted to leave Khan and manny for 2 weeks to go see chavez jr on the other side of the world in the middle of camp and on 24/7, the one with his brother having the stroke, how crowded and busy his gym is.

For graham he had more time to devote to hatton, he just wasnt used to training fighters on the world stage and some of his strategies like that body bag were ******ed and useless. Especially in preparing for a fighter like floyd. The only time hatton ever looked like he had a game plan for a fight was the one with paulie M where he outboxed paulie and that was with Floyd sr. Even though Sr is a ****, especially in the pacquaio fight were he just up and left, he atleast had some kind of plan.

[Weebler I]

In 2007, Hatton beat Urango for the IBF title in January, stopped Jose Luis Castillo in 4 rounds in June before being subjected to the FMJ/Cortez double act in December. He coached Matthew Hatton to three wins that year too.

If you want a poor Hatton coach, look no further than FM Sr. who was so unprofessional he wouldn't even turn up on time.


In 2012 Roach's main fighter won his bout v Bradley, JCC Jr almost scored an upset despite training in his living room and Khan wouldn't listen to Roach's instructions v Garcia.


Maybe time to look past the coaches?