British Boxing

[D-MiZe]

Na using what happend in the Gatti/May fight as an example of the type of annihilation hatton should of recieved from Kell Brook in context to how Brook was bummed up as being a superstar slickster. It didn't happen and i thought nothing of the way he beat Hatton, again it was hard to watch.

Is that true about Burns? just shows how little money boxers can make even if their world champion, its mad how footballers get so much in context to how hard boxers train and the torment they put on their bodys.

Boxing really is a cut throat business.

You don't rate Saunders? I'm sitting on the fence with him not quite sure what to make of him.

Murray in my opinion is a heavybag that occasionly hits back.

I rate Saunders highly in terms of his potential. But when I talk to someone about rating a fighter, it's normally based on their resume. I think Burns could afford not to work at the retail shop but he chooses to do so and is a very humble champion.

I'm not trying to be condescending when I say this, but are you new to the sport?

Mayweather had a great amateur career and by the time he met Gatti he was in his prime and one of the best fighters on the planet. He was never a test for Mayweather and unlike Brook, it wasn't his best fight yet.

It's obvious that Brook doesn't have half the talent Mayweather does, let your eyes decide not your ears. Hatton is not some bum either, he's a good European/gatekeeper level fighter. Albeit, the fight should've happened a lot earlier than what it did but that's due to Brook's former promoter.

[D-MiZe]

I just realised you said Chisora is Haye's best win, how?

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I just realised you said Chisora is Haye's best win, how?

I was talking at heavyweight really, think the cruiserweight resume is irrelevant apart from the Thompson slip up we knew he was the best by a big margin in that division.

Barrett was there to be beaten, as was A-Farce, Ruiz got beaten by a career middleweight/light heavyweight and was beaten in one round by a guy who never won a world title again already beaten before he'd even turned up.

Valuev is just plain awful, I mean haye would have won 118-110 if the fight was anywhere other than Germany, although it was impressive that he got the decision.

Unless I'm forgetting someone, Chisora was the best of a bad bunch, the only heavyweight in recent times to test Vitali, was robbed against Helenuis and come in way to carby for Fury.

Chisora had a granite chin and a sort of half a punchers chance the best chance out of all the other bums Haye fought.

Im not comparing Mayweather to Brook im stating that Hatton should have been Brooks Gatti, I mean he really should gone out there with bad intentions to make a statement but he didn't.

Of course Brook is not in Mayweathers league, again just stating Brook if he were to be something special to go out and dominate a guy who was clearly out of his depth and stop him, ala Gatti/Mayweather.

Are we not on the understanding that Matthew Hatton is just a journeymen who should be stopped if a prospect is anything to go by?

[D-MiZe]

So what about Saul Alvarez who went 12 with Hatton?

He's so much more than a journeyman, he's a top European level welterweight who's a good gatekeeper for the world level.

How is Haye's CW resume irrelevant? His HW resume is irrelevant as all he's done since arriving is win a title and fought poor opposition. After it's all said and done, Haye's only redeeming factor will be his run at cruiserweight.

I'd say Valuev is a better win than Chisora, not by much. Chisora looking good against Vitali is more to do with Vitali looking that bad. He beat Helenius but he's an unknown quantity and same with Fury.

Certainly not the best CW by a ' big ' margin, never fought the likes of Cunningham or Adamek to seal that deal.

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So what about Saul Alvarez who went 12 with Hatton?

He's so much more than a journeyman, he's a top European level welterweight who's a good gatekeeper for the world level.

How is Haye's CW resume irrelevant? His HW resume is irrelevant as all he's done since arriving is win a title and fought poor opposition. After it's all said and done, Haye's only redeeming factor will be his run at cruiserweight.

I'd say Valuev is a better win than Chisora, not by much. Chisora looking good against Vitali is more to do with Vitali looking that bad. He beat Helenius but he's an unknown quantity and same with Fury.

Certainly not the best CW by a ' big ' margin, never fought the likes of Cunningham or Adamek to seal that deal.

Was Adamek even a Cruiserweight at the time Haye was, And Cunningham would have been iced by Haye.

Alvarez not stopping Hatton is the exact reason i don't rate Alvarez.

Why are we dis*****g Haye when you have basically agreed with me that his resume is ****. Cruiser or heavy, and it is irrelevant because no one will ever remember or bring up what he done at Cruiserweight, they will with his heavyweight resume. All and all his resume is built on fighting in a weak division followed by an almost as weak division all the while fighting ****.

I agree with you about Cunningham and Adamek to a point but name another great Cruiserweight that didn't go on to big things at heavyweight that has a better resume than Haye.

Im not bothered about dis*****g who has the actual best resume at CW because frankly i believe that person themself couldn't give a ****.

He was the best Cruiser around at the time, and don't think he'd have alot of trouble with Adamek who himself had fought some **** apart from Vitali where he got destroyed.

[kokingbill]

smart, honest guy here. British boxing is interesting inside its bubble, but only a few guys can even compete outside, let alone be "world class". Froch is the man. Im a big Froch fan. I really like Hatton too. Calzaghe was worth while too, although he beat washed up roy jones and Bhop. They are world class competitors, if not champions. Other than that Haye, Chisora, Fury, Mitchell, khan, you name him, are jokes. Total hype made by homers. "They are the best here, so they are better than anyone in the world" mentality. Theres really no other nation who has such delusionally nationalistic fans. Mexico, PR, Russia...They dont talk any crap, the fighters just get it done. Its 99% hot air from the british fighters.

[D-MiZe]

Was Adamek even a Cruiserweight at the time Haye was, And Cunningham would have been iced by Haye.

Alvarez not stopping Hatton is the exact reason i don't rate Alvarez.

Why are we dis*****g Haye when you have basically agreed with me that his resume is ****. Cruiser or heavy, and it is irrelevant because no one will ever remember or bring up what he done at Cruiserweight, they will with his heavyweight resume. All and all his resume is built on fighting in a weak division followed by an almost as weak division all the while fighting ****.

I agree with you about Cunningham and Adamek to a point but name another great Cruiserweight that didn't go on to big things at heavyweight that has a better resume than Haye.

Im not bothered about dis*****g who has the actual best resume at CW because frankly i believe that person themself couldn't give a ****.

He was the best Cruiser around at the time, and don't think he'd have alot of trouble with Adamek who himself had fought some **** apart from Vitali where he got destroyed.

He was the IBF champion whilst Haye was around CW.

Juan Carlos Gomez was a better cruiserweight then Haye, has a better resume but didn't go on to do big things at heavyweight.

[D-MiZe]

smart, honest guy here. British boxing is interesting inside its bubble, but only a few guys can even compete outside, let alone be "world class". Froch is the man. Im a big Froch fan. I really like Hatton too. Calzaghe was worth while too, although he beat washed up roy jones and Bhop. They are world class competitors, if not champions. Other than that Haye, Chisora, Fury, Mitchell, khan, you name him, are jokes. Total hype made by homers. "They are the best here, so they are better than anyone in the world" mentality. Theres really no other nation who has such delusionally nationalistic fans. Mexico, PR, Russia...They dont talk any crap, the fighters just get it done. Its 99% hot air from the british fighters.

You may be smart & honest, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

Boxing in Britain is not big at all. Once every blue moon (Hatton reference lol) we have a top fighter come out of here who goes on to fight in America. Opponent choice and progression hurts a lot of fighters over here, not to mention the lack of quality trainers.

However, times are a changin'.

We won more medals in 2011s world amateur championships then we did in the years from 2001 - 2011, combined. We only won 3 medals in Baku '11.

So to achieve some form of publicity for a fighter you need to link more famous names to him. If you're managing a welterweight, the media will ask about the best welterweights in the world. When asked about Pacquiao, Brook flippantly remarked that he'd beat him. The only way you can view boxing over here is if you pay for a sports package and seeing as boxing is probably the 10th most popular sport here - it has a lot of competition. Recently a free channel picked up boxing, but that contract never lasts long.

You call it ' delusional nationalism ', I call it getting behind your countryman and urging them on to win. It's called confidence and it's British mentality to back the underdog. We'll throw taunts at you Yank ****s whilst cheering our man on and when it's all said and done, we'll shake your hand and that's it. Don't talk like you know what you're on about, educate yourself.


It's called passion and I'm not on about the fruit.