The Ring: Whats your thoughts on Maidana-Canelo?

[HeroBando]

Canelo did fight Rhodes who was a top 10 JRMW. And Chavez Jr uses diuretics to fight smaller guys in their division instead of bringing them up. Same ****, different toilet.


I know you're talking about me. Only reason I brought up Rigo's resume is because I see a lot of his fans criticizing Canelo's opposition even though it's still miles better than Rigo's. Just exposing the hypocrisy that's all.

And Rhodes was the last and only top 10 SWW he's fought. Barely a legit one, see Zbik at MW.

Rigo's got a dynamite resume for a guy with 11 fights, and he's not turning away legit contenders. Nobody is knocking on his door. He is also fighting opponents from his weightclass. He also didn't win a vacant belt from a borderline bum at a catchweight he didn't bother making.

[HeroBando]

This is the exact path Manny and Floyd have been taking and both of their fan bases have ate it up.

Why wouldn't Goldenboy do this?

I say Goldenboy milk this ****, there's no reason why they shouldn't play to Canelo's strength when Manny and Mayweather do the same exact thing.

Make the fight, the Mexican fans will support it, the Americans will run their mouths, and after there is no one else, go on to the Cotto, Angulo, and Kirkland in that exact order.

With that experience take on Lara's and you have Vanes out there still right?

Don't ask, just do it. Play to the strengths. No one else plays the sport with morality, why should Canelo be the only one subject to the moral route in boxing?

And honestly thats a solid route for a fighter. Maidana isn't exactly a ***** made.

You're insane to compare this ****show to Floyd or Pac. These guys have multiple HOFs on their resume, and are not consistently fighting fringe contenders from 1 or 2 divisions below

[STREET CLEANER]

They said it some where in the tele cast of the fight that Maidana was being strongly considered as the next opponent for Canelo. Don't know why anybody is suprised caused they had mentioned it before.

Dumb fight that does nothing. Only Canelo fans can be happy with something like this. Maidana didn't look good against Alexander and struggled at times against his last foe.

Can't think how anybody would think that he has a chance against Canelo since Maidana himself says that the higher weight is a problem for him

[kiaba360]

Canelo did fight Rhodes who was a top 10 JRMW. And Chavez Jr uses diuretics to fight smaller guys in their division instead of bringing them up. Same ****, different toilet.


I know you're talking about me. Only reason I brought up Rigo's resume is because I see a lot of his fans criticizing Canelo's opposition even though it's still miles better than Rigo's. Just exposing the hypocrisy that's all.

When I stated that, I was referring to the LMW division. I've heard Lara get criticized for his matches with Williams and Hernandez, I've heard Kirkland and Molina get criticized for their performances against one another, I've heard fans say that Rosado and Vanes aren't ready cuz they haven't fought anyone, a whole bunch of arguments I've read (from all over the net) as to why Canelo should not bother with the 2nd-tier guys. The rest of the LMW fighters get disrespected anytime there's talk of Canelo facing relevant opposition. Canelo has literally been built a throne by GBP and his fans, dude can't be touched.

As for Rigo/Canelo, they're in two totally different positions in their careers. Canelo has 42 fights, 10 of them at LMW. Rigo has 11 fights and the majority are at SBW. Both are top 5 in their respective divisions. Both guys have P4P fighters in their divisions that they want to get their hands on. Now who's more likely to fight his P4P contemporary? The guy who has the full support of his promotional company. TR did right by Rigo and put him in position for a title shot with such few fights. However, TR has more invested in Donaire than Rigo, so therefore Nonito gets preferential treatment. Canelo has been carefully matched recently, while Rigo has to accept any and all challengers. Unlike GBP/Canelo, TR isn't going out of their way to protect Rigo. As for their resumes, you're correct that Canelo has fought more notable/proven opposition. But isn't that to be expected? Rigo should NOT have the better resume with only 11 fights. Plus, Canelo has fought shop-worn/faded opposition like Gomez/Cintron/Mosley/Baldomir. Arce and Terrazas are the few shop-worn/faded guys at 118/122, and I remember some people bitching when Terrazas was rumored to be a potential opponent for Rigo. Fans have high expectations for both Canelo and Rigo, but Rigo has less time to prove himself.

Young and inexperienced vs. Old and shop-worn/shot-to-pieces, which one do you prefer?

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Really just boxing casuals. I mean they don't watch every fight, and aren't boxrec guys like people in this site are, they don't know about weight, and Televisa doesn't tell them about it. They don't know Canelo been bringing guys up from 140, 147.

It's sad, but like I said, only hardcore boxing fans know about this, casuals fans are "protected" from what Canelo has been doing.

Ive been trying to stay away from this thread cause Im tired of beating a dead horse but I think this explains pretty much why so many people go to watch Canelo live or tune in when he's on TV. This explains why GBP is doing what they been doing and they will keep on doing it as long as it keeps making them the EASY money. You also got the so called "hardcore" fans like onechance who still support this farce. At least Light_Speed is not Ok with this type of matchup. You can throw Chris John in there and onechance would not give two ****s.

[Light_Speed]

Rigo's got a dynamite resume for a guy with 11 fights, and he's not turning away legit contenders. Nobody is knocking on his door. He is also fighting opponents from his weightclass. He also didn't win a vacant belt from a borderline bum at a catchweight he didn't bother making.

Agbeko is knocking on his door, let's see what happens.

When I stated that, I was referring to the LMW division. I've heard Lara get criticized for his matches with Williams and Hernandez, I've heard Kirkland and Molina get criticized for their performances against one another, I've heard fans say that Rosado and Vanes aren't ready cuz they haven't fought anyone, a whole bunch of arguments I've read (from all over the net) as to why Canelo should not bother with the 2nd-tier guys. The rest of the LMW fighters get disrespected anytime there's talk of Canelo facing relevant opposition. Canelo has literally been built a throne by GBP and his fans, dude can't be touched.

As for Rigo/Canelo, they're in two totally different positions in their careers. Canelo has 42 fights, 10 of them at LMW. Rigo has 11 fights and the majority are at SBW. Both are top 5 in their respective divisions. Both guys have P4P fighters in their divisions that they want to get their hands on. Now who's more likely to fight his P4P contemporary? The guy who has the full support of his promotional company. TR did right by Rigo and put him in position for a title shot with such few fights. However, TR has more invested in Donaire than Rigo, so therefore Nonito gets preferential treatment. Canelo has been carefully matched recently, while Rigo has to accept any and all challengers. Unlike GBP/Canelo, TR isn't going out of their way to protect Rigo. As for their resumes, you're correct that Canelo has fought more notable/proven opposition. But isn't that to be expected? Rigo should NOT have the better resume with only 11 fights. Plus, Canelo has fought shop-worn/faded opposition like Gomez/Cintron/Mosley/Baldomir. Arce and Terrazas are the few shop-worn/faded guys at 118/122, and I remember some people bitching when Terrazas was rumored to be a potential opponent for Rigo. Fans have high expectations for both Canelo and Rigo, but Rigo has less time to prove himself.

Young and inexperienced vs. Old and shop-worn/shot-to-pieces, which one do you prefer?

I've said before that Lara and Molina are top 5 JMWs, I never criticized them. Kirkland on the other hand is an overrated club fighter. Canelo should be criticized for his opposition, it's down right laughable, just saying there are other hyped fighters out there with even worse resumes. I like Rigo but a lot of people are already branding him the best SBW when he has yet to beat an elite fighter. They talk about him like he's a god and everything he does in the ring is perfect, then they turn around and call Canelo overrated. Come on now.

You said that Rigo has less time to prove himself, even more reason why there should be more pressure on him to fight the top guys right now. Canelo's gonna be around for at least another decade.

[kiaba360]

Agbeko is knocking on his door, let's see what happens.


I've said before that Lara and Molina are top 5 JMWs, I never criticized them. Kirkland on the other hand is an overrated club fighter. Canelo should be criticized for his opposition, it's down right laughable, just saying there are other hyped fighters out there with even worse resumes. I like Rigo but a lot of people are already branding him the best SBW when he has yet to beat an elite fighter. They talk about him like he's a god and everything he does in the ring is perfect, then they turn around and call Canelo overrated. Come on now.

You said that Rigo has less time to prove himself, even more reason why there should be more pressure on him to fight the top guys right now. Canelo's gonna be around for at least another decade.

I don't want Rigo/Canelo in there with Donaire/Floyd yet. I think Rigo is as ready as he'll ever be (skill-set wise), but more pro experience will do him good. He needs to get used to that feeling of being hit, his punch resistance is in question. Canelo is still an incomplete product, and has numerous questions to answer, questions that can only be answered when matched-up against threatening opposition.

If I had my way, I would match Rigo up with Arce/Mares/Santa Cruz, guys who would have no problems bringing it to him, beat two of them and then Nonito. I would match Canelo up with Molina next, and then the winner of Lara/Vanes in May. Then, fight the winner of Cotto/Trout in September, and then Floyd in May 2014. If Canelo gets through that gauntlet, I would be the first person calling Floyd a duck if he doesn't fight Canelo.

[Syf]

he was 19 years old. in my estimation i'd say canelo's chin is solid.

maidana's punches aren't anywhere near the dynamite they are at 140, even at 147. he won't put a dent in canelos chin at 154 with single shots. you saw how well soto karass took his gas. if he somehow pulls this one out of the hat it will be after an extended barrage of shots over many rounds.

he was 19.. now he's 22. Thats only three years.

Lopez got a good angle on Ortiz to break his jaw. His power is actually pretty heavily overrated as a result. Maidana has more solid power than Lopez. Given he is adequately adjusted to 154, he could phase Canelo's beard.

If we talking P4P... There's nothing to convince me that Canelo could stand under the pressure of a beastly p4p Maidana throwing bomb after bomb. I mean, Canelo isn't exactly Devon Alexander, he is there to be hit. P4p Maidana > Jose

Yea we don't know, not knowing does not equate to a negative outcome. It can go either way.

Feel how you want though, you can certainly feel that way about Canelo but just understand that as negative as you feel about Canelo the opposite positive feeling is also equally reasonable.

Lol, You are a sophist. The more reasonable position is that Canelo and/or his team must be hiding some flaw or weakness in his game since they are feeding him such weak and/or overmatched competition. Seems to me with their opponent choices Team Canelo has no faith in their fighter. This guy is dishonorably destroying true warriors that are 20+ pounds south of his own weight on fight night. When he fought Lopez I endured that farce with a slightly bitter taste. But, Canelo cherry picking Maidana is a complete disgrace. Maidana deserves better. He deserves a title shot, not a circus act attempt to feed him to Canelo. What a tragic manipulation of a true fighter and asset to the game....

*spit*

don't give me he's young, don't give me he's powerless to choose opponents. Every man has control of their own destiny.

[The Gambler1981]

Lol, You are a sophist. The more reasonable position is that Canelo and/or his team must be hiding some flaw or weakness in his game since they are feeding him such weak and/or overmatched competition. Seems to me with their opponent choices Team Canelo has no faith in their fighter. This guy is dishonorably destroying true warriors that are 20+ pounds south of his own weight on fight night. When he fought Lopez I endured that farce with a slightly bitter taste. But, Canelo cherry picking Maidana is a complete disgrace. Maidana deserves better. He deserves a title shot, not a circus act attempt to feed him to Canelo. What a tragic manipulation of a true fighter and asset to the game....

*spit*

don't give me he's young, don't give me he's powerless to choose opponents. Every man has control of their own destiny.

I didn't say he is young or powerless~ he has leverage as he is a or the future star GBP needs.

You can think that Canelo's team is hiding him but doesn't have to be the only answer, just because they can essentially get away with it does not make it some huge issue for Canelo. You don't have to like it or like Canelo, you can think he is a scrub if you want, he isn't proven so if that is your assessment of him fair enough.

I don't get twisted about who dude fights because I know he will fight someone sooner or later that will stand up to him and in that moment either he will prove what I think that he is a very quality guy or prove what you think that he is not good. Until we get to that moment it is all just speculation.

Also I don't really like the Maidana fight but it doesn't change what I think he is capable of in the grand scheme of things, it would essentially be an infomercial designed to make Canelo look like a million bucks going into a bigger fight May 5th and it would be very likely to serve that purpose.

[Alex_Hayden]

You're insane to compare this ****show to Floyd or Pac. These guys have multiple HOFs on their resume, and are not consistently fighting fringe contenders from 1 or 2 divisions below

All old or at weight disadvantages

Seriously, Cotto vs Floyd should have taken place back when Cotto was on top of his game.

It took Cotto to get beat into Hamburger Helper two separate times before Mayweather took him on.

Back when Cotto wasn't shot and was ripping **** apart, Floyd's excuse was that Cotto was "too green."

Manny isn't exactly fighting the Vernon Forrest caliber fighters or even the prime Mosleys at 147. Even if he did, he'd have them drop in weight looking for an Advantage.

Manny and Mayweather play to their strengths.

It would be wise for Canelo to do the same.