Comments Thread For: Haye: Vitali Klitschko Using Elections as an Excuse To Run

[boxingchef]

I can understand you recognizing something that is weak and pathetic after all you are a Haye fan. As far as Haye is concerned he doesn't even mention Wlad's name and why? Because he knows that he will never be able to beat Wlad even with ten healthy toes.

And as far as where Vitali is ranked it is not surprising that an old and past his prime fighter would still be ranked so high. Want some examples? Ali was still ranked high when he lost to Spinks. And why did Ali lose? Because he was old and past his prime just as Vitali is. You want a more modern example?

Jones was old and way past his prime. Yet he was still ranked in the top five at at light heavyweight by Ring magazine. And even though he was still ranked very high Calzaghe got little to no credit for beating Jones. And why is that? Because he was old and past his prime.

With that said. I am not stating that Vitali has slipped as far as Jones had when he fought Joe. But, I can clearly see for myself that Vitali has slipped significantly and is not the same fighter that even fought Adamek not all that long ago. And if I can see it I am pretty sure that Haye can see it as well.

And Haye wants this fight to prove what? That he can beat an old and way past his prime fighter regardless of where he happens to be ranked? Is this the legacy that Haye and his fans want for him? But, than again beating old and washed up fighters is what his legacy has already been built on. That is if anyone can honestly call that a good legacy and still be able to keep a straight face.

nice post!

[Ravens Fan]

nice post!

Thank you!

[Ravens Fan]

Beautifully said!

Thank you!

[Ravens Fan]

He's said many times the only way he'll get a rematch is to beat Vitali. Don't try and make it look like Haye targeted him, because it was Vitali running his mouth last year and then he goes silent when Haye agrees and the fans want to see it.

You seem to have a very selective memory. I don't recall Haye's exact words so I will paraphrase. Haye said something along the line of, "I am going to clean out the HW division by starting with them bums and slow robots." He was referring to the Klit brothers. So, Haye was targeting the Klit bros from day one. Well let me restate that. His mouth was targeting the Klit bros. However, after a whole lot of BS his body went off and fought Valuev, Fraudly and John Ruiz. And by the time he fought Wlad he was embarrassed and out classed. And now he is clinging to the hope that he gets a shot at a past his prime old fighter in attempt to validate his fraudulent career. And once again his fans eat it all up and I have wonder how you all can't see Haye for what he really is.

[Nautilus]

Haye talking about excuses? :-)

[MurkaMan]

The person that should be clamoring for a rematch is Haye. But, then again his toe injury most likely never occurred. Just like his lame a$$ fake broken hand to help explain away the Valuev stinker. As far as a Vitali fight is concerned, in my opinion the fights a couple of years to late. And if Vitali decides to fight Haye than that is his decision and if Vitali decides to retire tomorrow good for him. And I sure as hell won't hold it against him. As far as Haye being a star, he is in my opinion a showman. But he has done next to nothing as a HW to give him any real star quality.

Haye lost fair in square, and he knows Wlad wont give him a rematch, so when is Vitali fighting HAYE, Since thats what the fans want? All you do is pick fighters to jock, and pick fighters to hate. Why cant you be a fan of the sport, and not a groupie, or hater? Vitali needs to fight Haye, thats the fight to make. Its nothing else to say really, just tell me Vitali will fight someone with a pulse. "Aww the fight is too late" why? There is STILL no one to test them, except him. So when is the fight, groupie?

[Ravens Fan]

Haye lost fair in square, and he knows Wlad wont give him a rematch, so when is Vitali fighting HAYE, Since thats what the fans want? All you do is pick fighters to jock, and pick fighters to hate. Why cant you be a fan of the sport, and not a groupie, or hater? Vitali needs to fight Haye, thats the fight to make. Its nothing else to say really, just tell me Vitali will fight someone with a pulse. "Aww the fight is too late" why? There is STILL no one to test them, except him. So when is the fight, groupie?

I don't know what picking a jock means but I hope I am not guilty of it because it really sounds gross. And I will admit that I could careless if the fight happens or not. I also could careless if I ever see David Haye fight again. To me Haye is an absolute fraud and doesn't deserve another shot and this time maybe he should earn his shot.

I look at this way I am sure there are a lot of baseball fans that would love to see the Yankees and the Dodgers in the World Series every year. But, in baseball you have to earn your way to the fall classic. And in my opinion beating a Chisora type fighter shouldn't put anyone inline to fight for the heavyweight title. And yes Chisora was also a horrible opponent for Vitali just as Charr was.

And you keep saying all the fans want to see it. Well, I am a fan and as I stated I don't care and I sure as hell wouldn't pay to see the fight. And another reason is the fact that it will in no way be guaranteed to be a good fight. And it very well be another stink fest. Just like the Valuev, Faudly and Wlad fights. And what was the common denominator in those fights? David Haye. Hell, at least Charr came to fight and obviously would have gone out on his shield if given the chance. And regardless if your a fan of his or not no one can really say that about Haye. And why? Because that hasn't been Haye's MO while fighting in big fights. Actually he fights scared and comes up with lame excuses.

You also claimed that I hate David Haye. Well, I will not deny that I don't care for him as a fighter. But I have no hate for the man simply because I don't know him. He could be a great human being or a total a$$hole I simply don't know. The major reason I don't care for Haye is this. He reminds me of my kids when they were little and why is that? Because he acts like a 12 year old. He doesn't get his way and what does he do he retires. How many times has he retired now I have lost count? I know it has been more times then Vitali and he will be 42 years old.

Haye also said he was going to clean out the HW division. He just didn't tell us he was going to do by averaging one fight a year while fighting old and washed up fighters while bouncing in and out of retirement. And I have ask Haye fans don't you feel at least a little cheated with his career? With that said I will give Haye some credit. Because he is a showman and actually he is pretty smart and he surely knows how to play a crowd.

[MurkaMan]

I don't know what picking a jock means but I hope I am not guilty of it because it really sounds gross. And I will admit that I could careless if the fight happens or not. I also could careless if I ever see David Haye fight again. To me Haye is an absolute fraud and doesn't deserve another shot and this time maybe he should earn his shot.

I look at this way I am sure there are a lot of baseball fans that would love to see the Yankees and the Dodgers in the World Series every year. But, in baseball you have to earn your way to the fall classic. And in my opinion beating a Chisora type fighter shouldn't put anyone inline to fight for the heavyweight title. And yes Chisora was also a horrible opponent for Vitali just as Charr was.

And you keep saying all the fans want to see it. Well, I am a fan and as I stated I don't care and I sure as hell wouldn't pay to see the fight. And another reason is the fact that it will in no way be guaranteed to be a good fight. And it very well be another stink fest. Just like the Valuev, Faudly and Wlad fights. And what was the common denominator in those fights? David Haye. Hell, at least Charr came to fight and obviously would have gone out on his shield if given the chance. And regardless if your a fan of his or not no one can really say that about Haye. And why? Because that hasn't been Haye's MO while fighting in big fights. Actually he fights scared and comes up with lame excuses.

You also claimed that I hate David Haye. Well, I will not deny that I don't care for him as a fighter. But I have no hate for the man simply because I don't know him. He could be a great human being or a total a$$hole I simply don't know. The major reason I don't care for Haye is this. He reminds me of my kids when they were little and why is that? Because he acts like a 12 year old. He doesn't get his way and what does he do he retires. How many times has he retired now I have lost count? I know it has been more times then Vitali and he will be 42 years old.

Haye also said he was going to clean out the HW division. He just didn't tell us he was going to do by averaging one fight a year while fighting old and washed up fighters while bouncing in and out of retirement. And I have ask Haye fans don't you feel at least a little cheated with his career? With that said I will give Haye some credit. Because he is a showman and actually he is pretty smart and he surely knows how to play a crowd.

Beating a Chisora type fighter? Vitali just struggled with a Chisora type fighter. And Haye stopped him. Haye did GREAT against a guy that Vitali struggled against. That alone earned him the fight. Not for doing great, but dominating, humiliating and stopping him. The reason you wouldnt pay to see the fight, is becdause you hate Haye, and Jock Vitali. I already said Haye did bad against Wlad, but THAT Haye is different from this Haye. Fighters are students of the game, they change everyday. Back then Haye was a beyotch and he was scared to lose. Now he has nothing to lose, and he, as well as everyone else, knows he will be waay too explosive. If Haye fought Chisora two years ago it probably would have been a boring safety first fight. But After Haye lost, and was criticised for his toe, it made him stronger and its no denying that. He proved he can face adversity and come back stronger, and people hate to admit it. He's different today than he was yesterday.

As far as him cleaning out the division, retiring, not keeping his word, I could GIVE A **** AZZ. I ALREADY TOLD YOU, I have ALWAYS criticised him for the career choices he made. But I dont care, it has nothing to do with the fact that the biggest fight you can make is him vs Vitali. He just beat the crap out of Chisora and gave the division more excitement than it has seen in YEARS. You type all this crap to avoid saying, "Your right. The only competitive fight Vitali can make is Him vs Vitali, and He did beat the crap out of a guy that beat the crap out of Vitali so he earned the fight. I mean I could type silly nonsense to convince myself this or that, but can never run from the simple fact that Haye was AMAZING against Chisora, Vitali lost rounds to him, the only good fight Vitali can fight is Haye, and since Haye has nothing to lose and is practically begging for the fight, its very evident that Vitali rather fight trash can dumpsters than to fight Haye, who will probably win since Vitali is aging" Make it easier for yourself bro.

[Ravens Fan]

Beating a Chisora type fighter? Vitali just struggled with a Chisora type fighter. And Haye stopped him. Haye did GREAT against a guy that Vitali struggled against. That alone earned him the fight. Not for doing great, but dominating, humiliating and stopping him. The reason you wouldnt pay to see the fight, is becdause you hate Haye, and Jock Vitali. I already said Haye did bad against Wlad, but THAT Haye is different from this Haye. Fighters are students of the game, they change everyday. Back then Haye was a beyotch and he was scared to lose. Now he has nothing to lose, and he, as well as everyone else, knows he will be waay too explosive. If Haye fought Chisora two years ago it probably would have been a boring safety first fight. But After Haye lost, and was criticised for his toe, it made him stronger and its no denying that. He proved he can face adversity and come back stronger, and people hate to admit it. He's different today than he was yesterday.

As far as him cleaning out the division, retiring, not keeping his word, I could GIVE A **** AZZ. I ALREADY TOLD YOU, I have ALWAYS criticised him for the career choices he made. But I dont care, it has nothing to do with the fact that the biggest fight you can make is him vs Vitali. He just beat the crap out of Chisora and gave the division more excitement than it has seen in YEARS. You type all this crap to avoid saying, "Your right. The only competitive fight Vitali can make is Him vs Vitali, and He did beat the crap out of a guy that beat the crap out of Vitali so he earned the fight. I mean I could type silly nonsense to convince myself this or that, but can never run from the simple fact that Haye was AMAZING against Chisora, Vitali lost rounds to him, the only good fight Vitali can fight is Haye, and since Haye has nothing to lose and is practically begging for the fight, its very evident that Vitali rather fight trash can dumpsters than to fight Haye, who will probably win since Vitali is aging" Make it easier for yourself bro.

You dare to question whether I am a true boxing fan and then make such a ridiculous statement as Chisora beat the crap out of Vitali? What universe do you live in? If Vitali's fight was such a struggle I wish I had those types of struggles everyday. Since in reality he pretty much dominated Chisora and did it with one arm. And you keep saying I hate Haye when your hate for Vitali is oozing from the ridiculous statements that you make.

And a little newsflash for you. Chisora lost four out of his last five fights and is ranked 30th in the world for a reason. And that is becasue he is not very good. An old man with one arm proved that by dominating him. Haye proved that by stopping him and by god he lost to Tyson Fury. And that last part in itself should be enough to prove to the world that he is not that good of a fighter.

Haye himself pretty much called him a bum before their brawl. He stated over and over again that he lost three of his last four fights. And personally I think Haye knew he could beat him easily because I will say it again Tyson Fury had already beaten him. And I really believe Haye gets to much credit for beating a domestic level British fighter that lost to Tyson Fury.

I am also, unlike you, far from convinced that a Vitali-Haye fight will even be a very good one. And you can keep stating that Haye has learned this or that and he will be different this time. Haye kept saying before and after and in between every fight that he was going to retire. So, if he was going to retire what did he have to lose in any of his fights? Or is it because he really means it this time?

In the end I will tell you what I think Haye has really learned. As long as he keeps running his mouth there will be a boat load of fans willing to throw money at him regardless of what kind of fight he actually fights in the ring. And I am not one of them because in my book the only thing he has proved is that he is a fraud.

[MJ223]

Haye is a pure salesman......