Manny Pacquiao drops from the top two of SI.coms p4p ratings for 1st time since 2008

[Bushbaby]

andre should be #1!

andre ward #1!
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how beaing cmpetitive with a shot to **** cotto keeps u above dominating the lineal lhw champ plus wining the super 6 is beyond me these writers are on floyds ****

Ward is my #1 too, however how can anyone take you seriously if you just ignore Pacman's horrific 3 fights in a row & bash Floyd for outhustling a healthy Cotto?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Top 3 is an easy one,

Ward
Mayweather
Martinez

4 and 5 is tough.

[DeadLikeMe]

I remember when like 2/3rds of the people in this thread were all way red as well as me and any blathering ****** who loves Manny would be way green

[Brother Jay]

Martinez has had a tough career because he's been avoided.

Avoided? Avoided by who? He got knocked out by Margarito!

You say Martinez has had the oppourtunity to move up yet Ward has not done it either.

Yet Ward has done 10 times as much at SMW than Martinez has done in his entire career. Have you ever looked at the man's record?

If one were to omit Williams and Pavlik from Martinez' resume, he would be a club fighter. Are you serious?

He's not by any means a 168 pounder, at his stage he wants the big money fights don't you think any one at his age would not target Pacquiao or Floyd?

Interestingly enough, I haven't heard ANY OTHER MW ever call out Mayweather or Pacquiao. Paul Williams did but Williams was willing to make 147lbs to make it happen. Martinez is looking for big money because of 2 wins in 53 fights.

Go figure.

P4P lists seem to be determined on their latest showings that's why ward is #2 on this list. I have no idea why you are obsessed with Martinez resume before he was given a chance, who do you want him to fight at 160 when the other champions didn't want to fight him.

What proof do you have that anyone was avoiding Martinez? Martinez hadn't done anything to put fear in anyone before his fight against Pavlik and Williams. He's not unbeaten and he has been knocked out before. Why would anyone fear him? His best performances come against men who were already exposed!

Sturm would not think about it, Chavez had to grow, Pirog's side made all sort of excuses. Golovkin would be nice now, but he wasn't very relevant before and people like you would have said it was a shit fight.

All of Martinez' fights have been shit fights. Look at his record since beating Williams! Who has he fought worth mentioning? He reigns only because he dwells in a talentless division. The 168 division scares the hell out of Sergio.

Now if you have Ward over Martinez, that's fine and understandable. I just don't know why you say he doesn't belong in the top 5.

What has Martinez done since 2010 that warrants him being in the top 5? Two C fighters gave him hell up until the 11th and made him look ordinary. The real question is what has Martinez done to justify him ever being ranked so high? Williams had been exposed by Quintana. Then Martinez used the blueprint. Then so did Lara. Pavlik was broken by BHOP. He was becoming an alcoholic. He came back to seek lost fame and got figured out. Neither man was taking the world by storm to justify Martinez being ranked so highly for beating them.

Also I'm not a fanboy, I might be a big fan of the guy at #1 but I'm not a fanboy of any other guy in the top #5. I appreciate every boxer on the list.

I appreciate them as well, but I don't exaggerate for ANY of them. Call it straight and let their merits decide their fate.

Like I said before this list is subjective and the only spots that really matter are 1 and 2. Which in this list are ok to me.

Well this conversation mattered enough for you to respond. I am not insulting you. I am pointing out though that there is nothing that would have Martinez in the top 5 after beating Pavlik and Williams 2 years ago and then following it up with an assortment of nobodies for 2011 and 2012.

That's pretty much all I'm saying.

[Bushbaby]

I remember when like 2/3rds of the people in this thread were all way red as well as me and any blathering ****** who loves Manny would be way green

Those were the days. A couple months back 1 of those high rep ptards came outa the woodwork & dropped a duce on my karma. The poor idiot thought his rep would break me. Put his bum a$$ on blast.

[AssasinKing]

Yeah cos dominating 1 of the best 'up and comers' who is undefeated isnt good at all

Manny battered tim bradley....N we all know it

Manny isnt even what he used 2 be, stamina gone and he still dominated Bradley

[Brother Jay]

So how come he hasn't faced Pacquiao yet?

Simple.

The first negotiations Manny refused the 24 day cutoff and the USADA random testing.

Then throughout the years he nitpicked every demand despite asking for $10 million for every pound over 147 that Floyd might come in at.

In 2011, Manny said that he would take all tests but would submit to USADA.

He then said "Anywhere, anytime."

But then Manny wouldn't take the fight Vegas.

Then he said that he got a cut above his eye in November that wouldn't heal by May of the following year and that was the reason that he couldn't fight Floyd on May 5th.

Floyd offered Pacquiao $40 million guaranteed .. that's 6 or 7 times what Manny has ever taken home. Pacquiao refused. There is more than one way to turn down a fight. Overpricing one's self is one of those ways.

Floyd is P4P#1, #1 at WW and #1 at jrMW after dominating Cotto.

Pacquaio isn't in the top 5 P4P anymore, and shouldn't have been after fighting JMM the last time. He lost that fight in most eyes, and has officially lost to Bradley.

Yet he still asks for more than he brings to the table.

That's why the fight hasn't happened. Floyd made tens of millions fighting Cotto. In fact, Floyd made so much in his last two fights that he's the highest paid athlete in the world in any sport.

Pacquiao missed out. He turned down $40 million just so he could lose fans, endorsements, rank and more money than he'll ever make any place else.

If the fight happens now, no one will care because Bradley beat Pacquiao. Even Pacfans are making excuses now as to why Manny will or might lose.

The buzz is there, but no where near where it was before.

[Gino Ros]

Avoided? Avoided by who? He got knocked out by Margarito!

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I really wish ppl would stop with the "Martinez/Margarito" nonsense.

[Brother Jay]

Yeah cos dominating 1 of the best 'up and comers' who is undefeated isnt good at all

Manny battered tim bradley....N we all know it

Manny isnt even what he used 2 be, stamina gone and he still dominated Bradley

Did he really? Really?

Not according to the judges he didn't.

And what makes it so bad is that Bradley isn't even a WW, but you're bragging about Manny supposedly beating him at WW.

That's sad.

[Bee Keepz]

Yeah cos dominating 1 of the best 'up and comers' who is undefeated isnt good at all

Manny battered tim bradley....N we all know it

Manny isnt even what he used 2 be, stamina gone and he still dominated Bradley

It's clear bias, Bradley was definitely the best LWW out there and the fight against Pacquiao wasn't even close. That's the only reason I don't want to see a rematch.