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Originally posted by chloelloyd
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Good Post 
I will like to point out something though in regards to Vitali and 'era's.
First off can a Green Vitali beat a Tommy Morrison, a Frank Bruno, a Razer Ruddock, a Tyrell Biggs?
I say Yes.
Can a Prime Vitali beat a Prime Rid**** Bowe, Prime Holyfield, Prime Golota? I say at least 2-1.
Can a OLD Vitali beat a Prime Michael Grant, a Prime David Tua, a Ike etc. Possibly.
Maybe h2h Vitali beats them all. But take into consideration the damage he would have taken if he fought against a long line of punchers and Elite level fighters. Maybe Vitali would have beaten a Prime Bowe, but he would have taken a lot of damage in that fight, more damage then he ever took (bar the tko6). Now say he fights Holyfield after Bowe or even a Ruddock. That's more damage. It adds up, if Vitali was in the 90's era there is NO WAY he will still be fighting at 41 and look as good as he does now. No way. He would have had a much shorter career. So his longevity is in parts due to the fact he fought easier competition.
I actually like Vitali, reading your long posts is just interesting. So I will like to hear what you have to say about this.
Is his longevity and his success in the later parts of his career in part due to the fact so few of his opponents were elite fighters?
(There is no way you can justify that a Chris Arreloa was better in any shape or form then even a Andrew Golota or a Razer Ruddock in terms of talent)
I will like to point out something though in regards to Vitali and 'era's.
First off can a Green Vitali beat a Tommy Morrison, a Frank Bruno, a Razer Ruddock, a Tyrell Biggs?
I say Yes.
Can a Prime Vitali beat a Prime Rid**** Bowe, Prime Holyfield, Prime Golota? I say at least 2-1.
Can a OLD Vitali beat a Prime Michael Grant, a Prime David Tua, a Ike etc. Possibly.
Maybe h2h Vitali beats them all. But take into consideration the damage he would have taken if he fought against a long line of punchers and Elite level fighters. Maybe Vitali would have beaten a Prime Bowe, but he would have taken a lot of damage in that fight, more damage then he ever took (bar the tko6). Now say he fights Holyfield after Bowe or even a Ruddock. That's more damage. It adds up, if Vitali was in the 90's era there is NO WAY he will still be fighting at 41 and look as good as he does now. No way. He would have had a much shorter career. So his longevity is in parts due to the fact he fought easier competition.
I actually like Vitali, reading your long posts is just interesting. So I will like to hear what you have to say about this.
Is his longevity and his success in the later parts of his career in part due to the fact so few of his opponents were elite fighters?
(There is no way you can justify that a Chris Arreloa was better in any shape or form then even a Andrew Golota or a Razer Ruddock in terms of talent)
There's really only two fights where Vitali had to dig down deep & go to the well & that ofcourse is the Lewis fight & the Sanders bout that followed. To me the Sanders bout shows me EVERYTHING i needed to know about his fighting heart.. even more so than in the Lewis bout. Sanders was getting ready to do what no man has ever tried to do & that is to beat the Klitschko empire in succession.
He caught Vitali consistently with the same EXACT shots that knocked his little bro down to the canvas 4 times.
Prime Golota he destroys.. he's bigger stronger.. mentality wise as well.. perhaps not in the same fashion Lewis did but it'd be close.
Prime Holy... that would've been really something to watch.... you have one fighter in Holyfield who never backed down & you have Vitali who never stops throwing leather. Holyfield did show that he could tag both Lewis & Bowe when he had to. Vitali does fight a little taller than them. It would probably be a war but sadly Holy would be worse off as he would be getting hit in this fight because of his fighting & aggressive mentality. Holy would probably be taken the distance losing a unaninimous but hard fought 12 rd decision.
Prime Bowe... now that's interesting.. we know how Bowe fared against Golota who is certainly no Vitali & we know how Vitali fared against Lewis who certainly is no Bowe in terms of fighting style. Bowe struggled with many fighters that weren't in Vitali's league. He could be outboxed for stretches.. what he did well was fighting on the inside.. sadly for him he wouldn't get that close. Vitali is still the bigger man here & Bowe's penchant for going toe to toe wouldn't serve him well here as that would make it that much easier for Vitali who's a mentally sound.. physically stronger bigger version ogf Golota who was tagging Bowe in his sleep.
Grant.. too apprehensive gets destroyed but in a customary 9 rd beatdown... his punch resistance was never all that & so was the mentality.. so perhaps sooner.
Tua is so tailormade for Vitali.. winging predictable shots from the southpaw stance. Vitali would've stopped him inside the distance.. giving him the same abuse LL did but willing to throw more leather & less aprehensive to get Tua out of there... knowing Tua's left hook will never reach him.
Ike.. i really can't tell you... very similar to Holyfield but slightly bigger.. threw alot of shots like Vitali.. I think it would be a great fight.. he struggled with Tua but was the first to get Byrd out of there & that showed tremendous skill to pinpoint a moving target like Byrd & pinpoint exactly where Byrd came to a standstill. Vitali couldn't do this against Byrd. I would say Ike what little we saw of him gives Vitali the biggest headache out of all the fighters mentioned but Tua showed that Ike was willing to get hit to get his own leather in & against Vitali from a distance & jabs coming his way.. he will succumb in 10 or 11 rds.
His longevity stems from the fact that the man can dominate & still lose facets of his game after all the injuries.. He did take nearly 4 years off.. so physically he's about 37 right where Lennox retired... another reason is he doesn't get hit often... throughout his career... he's won 95% of the rds he's fought.. lastly his style & boxing ability is nearly foolproof... there is no known way around it... you can cut him or he'll hurt his shoulder but that's about it.
He stands in the pocket like Tony Montana... tells you to say hello to his little friend... in this case the jab that is waiting for you.. halfway towards you... & while you're preoccupied with that... the right hand is by his waist like a gun holster... both are held low & in position to strike at any given moment & because of this unprecedented offensive & defensive stance.. it's impossible for his opposition to get off more than he does.. the results speak for themselves.. he's outlanded & outthrown every fighter he's ever faced.. he's outjabbed every single fighter.. he's out powerpunched EVERY single fighter WITHOUT any exceptions... to me that SAYS foolproof.. to somebody who is not in the know.. that states luck.. his opponent ****** or it's because he's tall..
TO BE THE ONLY KNOWN RANKED BOXER THAT'S done this is no aberration... you simply will NOT outbox him even if you make him miss all night long or even if you tear his face up.. it won't ever be done.. throw in his size & strength advantages over 99 % of all the boxers who ever fought & you have yourself the favorite in ANY HEAD TO HEAD matchup that can't be created.
Oh & as for Areolla.. not too many pressure heavies that can get off bombs in succesion like he does... how is one dimensional Ruddock any better. Golota did have some skills but we all know how mentally flawed he was. Areolla can fight.. comes forward & throws leather... nothing wrong with that.. except he's not too smart in his technique & can be hit often.
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