Will the officials in Oakland (referee and judges) be fair to Chad Dawson?

[V.WEBB]

Point is that you NEVER say anything critical about Ward and that is just a fact.

Fact? After this, you and I don't have to ever discuss boxing again. I've never disrespected you as a man or name called you. Did I like your whining about the fight? Of course not. And I have been critical of Ward about the headbutts in that fight? Sure I have. But you missed it because you were so focused on how badly Kessler got beat up. In the past, I said that he fought too wild which resulted in the headbutts. But the REALITY of the matter is that he dominated Mikkel Kessler, hell, he dominated EVERYBODY he fought in the tourney. Did I like that ALL his fights were in Oakland, no I didn't and again, I've stated as much in the past. I've also stated how I think that Ward should have done the extra drug testing for fights in the past when he himself said that he would do it. Those are facts.

[Rip Chudd]

Ward refused to fight overseas during the Super Six because he needs his home referees to permit him to headbutt, hit off the break, and otherwise foul. And maybe he was afraid that the OST required for Sauerland events would turn up something he got from Victor Conte.

Whose fault is it that they couldn't secure a Ward fight overseas? It's up to the promoters of the other fighter to get things settled for their guy. I've said it once and i'll say it again, let's not act like Ward wasn't the long shot to win this tournament. The Super Six although an American tournament was all about showcasing the european fighters who were heavy favorites to dominate it. Kessler and his promoter saw it as an easy win to take on the less experienced Ward in his hometown. Unfortunately for them and the other promoters it was anything but that.

[Rip Chudd]

Kessler may have been whooped, but his face was a bloody mess due to Ward's blatant headbutting. You should just acknowledge that and move along.

I have no problem acknowleding that headbutts opened up cuts on Kessler's face. Were they deliberate headbutts? No. What happened after the headbutts though? Kessler was whooped. I swear the way some of you tell it headbutts were the only thing thrown during the fight. Has Ward not said he would definitely fight Kessler again? Kessler doesn't want it because it would be another L on his record.

[V.WEBB]

Whose fault is it that they couldn't secure a Ward fight overseas? It's up to the promoters of the other fighter to get things settled for their guy. I've said it once and i'll say it again, let's not act like Ward wasn't the long shot to win this tournament. The Super Six although an American tournament was all about showcasing the european fighters who were heavy favorites to dominate it. Kessler and his promoter saw it as an easy win to take on the less experienced Ward in his hometown. Unfortunately for them and the other promoters it was anything but that.

Right. No ONE really picked Ward to win the tourney at all. Many people thought that Kessler would win the first round against Ward and if my memory serves me correctly, Abraham was basically picked to win the whole thing and I think people kinda thought he would win for sure after he stopped Jermaine Taylor. But, I picked Ward to win it when it was announced. I didn't like how it was dragged out with all of the pull outs and what not, but overall, I enjoyed the tourney.

[V.WEBB]

I have no problem acknowleding that headbutts opened up cuts on Kessler's face. Were they deliberate headbutts? No. What happened after the headbutts though? Kessler was whooped. I swear the way some of you tell it headbutts were the only thing thrown during the fight. Has Ward not said he would definitely fight Kessler again? Kessler doesn't want it because it would be another L on his record.

Again, and in the past, I HAVE acknowledged those headbutts. But I also have a set of eyes that saw those BRIGHT WHITE GLOVES tagging Kessler's face.

[Rip Chudd]

You have 1 John 2:22 on your avatar.

Sauerland almost pulled Kessler out, remember?

Ward's promoter promised Sauerland there would be a ref from a neutral country. It's in the Super Six contract. Yet at the last minute, they announced it would be a local ref Jack Reiss.

What do you think about someone who claims to be the Son of God yet uses every dirty trick in the book and has shady home refs who let him get away with it? How does that relate to 1 John 2:22?

Haha what does 1 John 2:22 have to do with this? Have you read that scripture? It talks about those denying Christ, that you don't have the father without the Son.

Anyway, no I don't recall Sauerland almost pulling Kessler out due to the referee. If the ref was switched at the last second how is that Ward's fault? He doesn't pick the referee. What dirty tricks does Ward use? Please don't say he's deliberately headbutting guys, cause that's just ridiculous. Do I think Ward is a sucka for not fighting overseas? Absolutely. But that doesn't change the fact that the dude is nice in that ring and completely shined in that Super Six tournament.

[V.WEBB]

Really done here.

[The Hammer]

[Rip Chudd]

Ward denies the Son's teachings with by being extremely selfish, dishonest and using dirty tactics like deliberate headbutts, hitting while holding and hitting off the break and having home refs who let him get away with it. He shouldn't call himself the "Son of God" without living by the Father's word.

"Son of Goat" would be a more appropriate nickname for him.

Man you're hopeless.

[STEELHEAD]

for those interested i got a bet prop going on this one in fb forum
if you dare. ward at -250:
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