Why is the so called 3rd Main Attraction in Boxing fighting on Reg HBO?

[savorduhflavor]

In Vegas vs Casamayor. You also have to realize boxing fights are free in Mexico through a network and I can just access it. PR since it uses the dollar, they're quick to charge you for any PPV fight.


And if you want to talk about quality, not all of Cotto's PPV fights have been quality. He falls under the quantity category if you take Mayweather/Pac out.

Cotto did 500 and 600k with Margs as the A side. He did 350k with Mosley as the A side. Another 225 with Judah as the A side. Another 200 with Mayorga as the A side.

Marquez did what, 200k vs. Diaz? I'm not sure it was even that much. That was the only time he was an A side for a major network PPV.

Again, I don't see how this is an argument. Cotto can carry a PPV to do respectable numbers on his own. Marquez has not proven that he can. Maybe now he can after getting all of these big fights but Cotto's been in big fights as well. Their profiles have both been raised but Cotto's got a lead.

[savorduhflavor]

And like I said, many people can access them fights for free instead of paying for it where in PR they don't have that luxury.

But even if they did have to pay for it they wouldn't count in the domestic numbers that we are discussing. It's not like Pac-Marquez 3 would have gone from 1.3 million to 1.6 if Mexicans had to pay for it. The numbers we all go by are domestic numbers(US) so that really has no bearing.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Cotto did 500 and 600k with Margs as the A side. He did 350k with Mosley as the A side. Another 225 with Judah as the A side. Another 200 with Mayorga as the A side.

Marquez did what, 200k vs. Diaz? I'm not sure it was even that much. That was the only time he was an A side for a major network PPV.

Again, I don't see how this is an argument. Cotto can carry a PPV to do respectable numbers on his own. Marquez has not proven that he can. Maybe now he can after getting all of these big fights but Cotto's been in big fights as well. Their profiles have both been raised but Cotto's got a lead.

He was the bigger name but you if it wasn't for Margarito he won't get anywhere near those numbers. 350k with Mosley is good but that's not "Star" type numbers, if you know what I mean.

And like I've told you numerous times, most people that watch Marquez fight are Mexican. Why would they buy a PPV in english when they can watch it for free and in spanish on a Mexican network. Take that off and I would give my right nut that his number s would be much higher. What was Cotto's PPV numbers vs Jennings? Mayorga? Paulie? Cotto needs an attractive dance partner to sell as well. He doesn't have that star power that I've been trying to get to your head. The funny thing is that you're a smart one too so you should of caught it a while back.

[savorduhflavor]

He was the bigger name but you if it wasn't for Margarito he won't get anywhere near those numbers. 350k with Mosley is good but that's not "Star" type numbers, if you know what I mean.

And like I've told you numerous times, most people that watch Marquez fight are Mexican. Why would they buy a PPV in english when they can watch it for free and in spanish on a Mexican network. Take that off and I would give my right nut that his number s would be much higher. What was Cotto's PPV numbers vs Jennings? Mayorga? Paulie? Cotto needs an attractive dance partner to sell as well. He doesn't have that star power that I've been trying to get to your head. The funny thing is that you're a smart one too so you should of caught it a while back.

Yea, Cotto is a distant 3rd to Floyd and Pac...I said that a while ago.

But he is still the 3rd biggest American draw which is my point. Sure Margarito helped sell PPV's...but the only reason those fights were PPV's is cause Cotto was fighting.

I see what you're saying about Marquez, I thought you meant the people IN Mexico. I didn't realize you could watch it for free in the states on a Mexican network. That's a fair point.

Cotto does need a dance partner, like most. But the point is that Cotto has been an A-side...his ratings, his gates...they have warrented him a ppv fighter. Marquez has just recently gotten there.

[lx!!]

whats the problem with him fighting on reg hbo? Saves us 60$

^^^^^ this

[Mr.Fantastic]

Yea, Cotto is a distant 3rd to Floyd and Pac...I said that a while ago.

But he is still the 3rd biggest American draw which is my point. Sure Margarito helped sell PPV's...but the only reason those fights were PPV's is cause Cotto was fighting.

I see what you're saying about Marquez, I thought you meant the people IN Mexico. I didn't realize you could watch it for free in the states on a Mexican network. That's a fair point.

Cotto does need a dance partner, like most. But the point is that Cotto has been an A-side...his ratings, his gates...they have warrented him a ppv fighter. Marquez has just recently gotten there.

And Margarito too...put 1+1=$$$$$

I do that shit some times but honestly bro their announcers are biased as hell sometimes and they score some fights like **** most of the time(at least in my opinion).

Marquez recently gotten there? Him and Pac(before he was a mega star) set a record for most ppvs sold for a lower weight fight. Most of Marquez's fights recently have been in the US, that's like telling Cotto to fight in the west.

But I'm glad you're starting to see what I'm saying. I've told you many times it's not hate but the fact that people get emotional and rate someone so highly more than what they're really are. I just try to bring them down to reality from the fantasy world they live in. If you think I go hard on Cotto just picture that x100 with boxers I'm a big fan of. To criticize a boxer, I have to criticize my favorites as well.

[Hougigo]

People complaining about a free-ish fight
SMH

[savorduhflavor]

And Margarito too...put 1+1=$$$$$

I do that shit some times but honestly bro their announcers are biased as hell sometimes and they score some fights like **** most of the time(at least in my opinion).

Marquez recently gotten there? Him and Pac(before he was a mega star) set a record for most ppvs sold for a lower weight fight. Most of Marquez's fights recently have been in the US, that's like telling Cotto to fight in the west.

But I'm glad you're starting to see what I'm saying. I've told you many times it's not hate but the fact that people get emotional and rate someone so highly more than what they're really are. I just try to bring them down to reality from the fantasy world they live in. If you think I go hard on Cotto just picture that x100 with boxers I'm a big fan of. To criticize a boxer, I have to criticize my favorites as well.

Right but my point is at that point Margarito wasn't a PPV fighter. He had never headlined a major PPV. The reason he fought on PPV is cause he was fighting Cotto. Cotto had fought on major PPV's before that. Marg contributed to the buys and gate, I aint arguing that.

Yea in the 2nd Pac-Marquez fight. Pac was #1 p4p and had beaten Barrera and Morales already, true PPV attractions. And Marquez had beaten Barrera to be fair. That fight did impressive #'s but it was more Pac, even then.

Marquez has turned into a legit attraction. Cotto just does bigger numbers across the board on a show by show basis. They're number 3 and 4 respectively. But they're both a FAR cry from Floyd and Pac.

[AP♠]

He's the 3rd largest draw in America imo.Ppl said ODLH helped Mayweather reach those numbers when they fought,well if that's the case Mayweather helped Cotto reach and generate those numbers to break 2nd largest amount in history...the same way the next popular opponent will do with Cotto to reach his numbers with his help.Guys like the Klits are more popular in the eastern hemisphere but lack big time attention in America, that's why they haven't had a ppv aired in the US in years.



Cotto is known to be a stiff household name and recognized as a good draw.He broke records with Mayweather and i'm completely fine with it.Even if its temporary,at the of the day Cotto/Mayweather are side to side names on being the 2ng largest grossing fight in history and there won't be much his haters can do abt it.Ppl on here act as if drawing power doesn't disappear....(holyfield).Guys like Chavez jr is all a name you need,50+ fights to milkdown squirts over the past 10 years im pretty sure everybody will know who you are eventually.

[Ringlife]

It saves me some cash him not fighting on PPV. I wont be buying the Pac vs Marquez 4 fight. I wish that fight was on regular HBO because it's not PPV worthy.