Amir khan has too many flaws to fix

[D-MiZe]

he's a professional boxer making millions of dollars, man. if it were so easy they would have figured it out.

fighters and athletes are what they are at khan's stage. sure, some improvements can be made, but the basic makeup of the fighter is already ingrained. when you're having punches thrown at your face and head by another world class boxer you don't think. you rely on what is already instinctual. to change those instincts takes years and many fights. khan does not have that kind of time.


you brits are going to have to start accepting that amir khan is what you've seen in his past few fights. he's not going to be a great or make any vast improvements. he'll have a nice career when it's all said and done, but he's almost certainly hit his peak.

You answered it in the first sentence. He's made millions fighting the way he has, why change?

I never thought Khan would be great, I recognised his flaws. But many things can be implemented to mask and make his flaws harder to expose. If he's taught to use the jab regularly to set-up attacks, measure range, defensive purposes etc - that'll help. He needs work on defensive movements and inside game.

I don't think he's hit his peak, he's better than Garcia and should've beaten Peterson. You can see easily in both fights what went wrong and both times, it was because of Khan.

[DARKSEID]

[QUOTE=D4thincarnation;12474801]

Chin and recovery are two different things.

Chin is how well you can take a shot without going down.

Recovery is how well you recover from getting put down, or from having you senses rattled.


99% of fighters get put down or rattled but he how well they deal with it and recovery that counts.

I don't see the difference. Both are how well you take punches

[New England]

Khan's only 26 man.

How has he learned everything he has to learn about boxing lol? Obviously he's not even close. Nobody was born perfect.

Nobody was born a champion.

he's 26 but he's been stopped twice and he's been battered even in victory. physically he's very talented, but in terms of his boxing there's just no way he'll ever reach the next level. he doesn't have that type of skill set.


fighters who age well become craftsmen down the road. khan isnt that kind of fighter, and i'll bet the farm on that. he's very one dimensional. his style depends entirely on his speed. fast in, fast out, fast hands. hope you are too fast to get hit, instead of being defensively responsible.


do you guys really think this kid is going to get better? he's only going to slow down from all of these punches he's taking.



the good thing about modern boxing is that we'll have the opportunity to find out who is right, me, who thinks khan has peaked and will be retired in a few years time, and you, who apparently thinks he can still be a great (if i'm following you correctly.)

[Devils Advocate]

I disagree with the original post. Amir can box to a plan and be conservative in the ring - I've seen it before, he can do it well.

He needs to stop thinking he can rush out all guns blazing like Manny Pacquiao used to, he needs to listen - to his coach, not to all the idiot freeloaders telling him he's God's gift.

Trying to diagnose what Khan needs is a complicated process. Unfortunately IMO he's been a celebrity for quite sometime and he might have reached his peak already. The Peterson fight took a lot out of him and I believe he overtrained for Garcia. Khan has to decide if he's gonna be a serious fighter first or a celebrity fighter and pull his head out of his arse. Respecting his opponents instead of over looking them would help him tremendously.

[New England]

You answered it in the first sentence. He's made millions fighting the way he has, why change?

I never thought Khan would be great, I recognised his flaws. But many things can be implemented to mask and make his flaws harder to expose. If he's taught to use the jab regularly to set-up attacks, measure range, defensive purposes etc - that'll help. He needs work on defensive movements and inside game.

I don't think he's hit his peak, he's better than Garcia and should've beaten Peterson. You can see easily in both fights what went wrong and both times, it was because of Khan.

he's hit his peak.

they fight the fights for a reason. he's not better than garcia...
they fought and khan lost. he didnt even look particularly good in defeat, other than showing stones.

peterson is a different story. he was probably using drugs when he fought khan


you can't make a more definitive comparison than having two professional boxers fight each other on even terms, which garcia and khan were able to do. advantage garcia.

[DARKSEID]

he's 26 but he's been stopped twice and he's been battered even in victory. physically he's very talented, but in terms of his boxing there's just no way he'll ever reach the next level. he doesn't have that type of skill set.


fighters who age well become craftsmen down the road. khan isnt that kind of fighter, and i'll bet the farm on that. he's very one dimensional. his style depends entirely on his speed. fast in, fast out, fast hands. hope you are too fast to get hit, instead of being defensively responsible.


do you guys really think this kid is going to get better? he's only going to slow down from all of these punches he's taking.



the good thing about modern boxing is that we'll have the opportunity to find out who is right, me, who thinks khan has peaked and will be retired in a few years time, and you, who apparently thinks he can still be a great (if i'm following you correctly.)

It's up to Khan, I just don't think he reached his peak, and if he keeps trying then he can make a name for himself. There was no reason he should have lost to Garcia and Peterson, or almost got knocked out against Maidana.

I really think a better trainer that's focused on him will help him a lot. Roach his made it clear that Pacquiao is his guy and that everything moves around him.

[DARKSEID]

he's hit his peak.

they fight the fights for a reason. he's not better than garcia...
they fought and khan lost. he didnt even look particularly good in defeat, other than showing stones.

peterson is a different story. he was probably using drugs when he fought khan


you can't make a more definitive comparison than having two professional boxers fight each other on even terms, though, which garcia and khan were able to do. advantage garcia.

Khan was dominating Garcia up to the time he got caught.

The first four rounds i thought it was going to be a malignaggi repeat.

[D4thincarnation]

[QUOTE=Even Money;12474819]

I don't see the difference. Both are how well you take punches

Some fighters may have great chins but once they get put down they lose that sharpness and ship more punishment and it is all over.

Some fighters go down on soft shots, but get their sense back quickly and can survive.

[DARKSEID]

[QUOTE=D4thincarnation;12474842]

Some fighters may have great chins but once they get put down they lose that sharpness and ship more punishment and it is all over.

Some fighters go down on soft shots, but get their sense back quickly and can survive.

if they had great chins they wouldnt get put down.

If they got back quickly then they have a great chin.

=/

[New England]

It's up to Khan, I just don't think he reached his peak, and if he keeps trying then he can make a name for himself. There was no reason he should have lost to Garcia and Peterson, or almost got knocked out against Maidana.

I really think a better trainer that's focused on him will help him a lot. Roach his made it clear that Pacquiao is his guy and that everything moves around him.

really?
and the loss against prescott?

once might be a fluke, but the man takes punches every time he fights a top fighter. that's a trend. that's who he is.

it's not about what people think you're capable of in the ring, it's about what you can actually do when you get there

i've also started to hear a bit of slurring in khan's speech. all of these punches are going to start piling on top of him as he gets older. he's made his cash. you've got to figure that he'll be close to retirement if he's stopped again.