Better resume, Dawson or Ward?

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  • -Kev-
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    Another thing, even if Dawson beats Ward, i'd still rank Hopkins as a better win, with Ward as the second best win.

    For Ward, if he beats Dawson, it would absolutely be the best win of his career to date.

    Just my opinion.

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      #22
      Originally posted by New England
      dawson's been at the top for a while and he's put a lot of names on his resume
      his resume takes a hit, considering that he did lose to jean pascal, who sucks, frankly.

      ward's on the better run, beating much more prime and viable fighters of late.

      i'd say that dawson has the better resume, but i think that ward will eventually eclipse him.
      Like I said, Dawson took a step back with that loss. But then turned around and took two steps forward by beating a ATG/HOF/Ring Champion Bernard Hopkins, who had just schooled Pascal twice. I think he really redeemed himself with that win.

      Of course no win is more redeeming than an actual win against the guy who beat you. But I'm hoping Dawson beats Ward and then fights a big money fight with either Froch or Kessler, which would be stylistically easy matchups for him, especially Froch. Then finally move back up to 175 after that 2-fight tour at 168. Dawson-Pascal II can wait until the end of 2013, when Dawson had hopefully beaten Ward/Froch at 168.

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      • daggum
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        #23
        ward is fighting all the top boxers around. reminds me of joe calzaghe's ten year reign as super middleweight champ.

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        • Glamour Puss
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          #24
          AA wasn't a top 10 SMW since he did nothing at SMW.

          Bika is a journeyman, Green is a bum, Froch is ok but overrated.

          Ward's best wins are Froch and a cheatfest vs. Kessler in Oakland. Dawson has the better resume based on his 4 fights w/ Johnson and Tarver, his destruction of Hopkins 2x, his win vs Adamek and going to Canada to fight Pascal.

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            #25
            Originally posted by -Kev-
            Another thing, even if Dawson beats Ward, i'd still rank Hopkins as a better win, with Ward as the second best win.

            For Ward, if he beats Dawson, it would absolutely be the best win of his career to date.

            Just my opinion.
            Even though Hopkins is an ATG and was still a high ranked fighter, if Dawson goes down to 168 and beats Ward right now, that'll be his best win by far in my book. Ward is hands down a Top 5 fighter in the world right now, and he's fighting at Ward's weight.

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              #26
              Originally posted by 4Corners
              Even though Hopkins is an ATG and was still a high ranked fighter, if Dawson goes down to 168 and beats Ward right now, that'll be his best win by far in my book. Ward is hands down a Top 5 fighter in the world right now, and he's fighting at Ward's weight.
              He's really not thought. Most of his fights are at home with friendly judges and ref's that let him get away with fouling all night long.

              He hasn't faced any adversity yet. His career is rigged.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Jack Ruby
                AA wasn't a top 10 SMW since he did nothing at SMW.

                Bika is a journeyman, Green is a bum, Froch is ok but overrated.

                Ward's best wins are Froch and a cheatfest vs. Kessler in Oakland. Dawson has the better resume based on his 4 fights w/ Johnson and Tarver, his destruction of Hopkins 2x, his win vs Adamek and going to Canada to fight Pascal.
                How is Froch just ok even though he's beaten Pascal, Taylor, Abraham, Bute, and was in a fight with Kessler that could have gone either way???

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Jack Ruby
                  He's really not thought. Most of his fights are at home with friendly judges and ref's that let him get away with fouling all night long.

                  He hasn't faced any adversity yet. His career is rigged.
                  So Ward wasn't just better than Kessler, Abraham, and Froch??? Well now if Ward goes on to have an amazing career, I know the excuses everyone will have for his career.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by 4Corners
                    How is Froch just ok even though he's beaten Pascal, Taylor, Abraham, Bute, and was in a fight with Kessler that could have gone either way???
                    He was behind in the fight with Taylor and this was a post Pavlik shot Taylor. AA was not rated at SMW. The Pascal fight was razor close, and he lost to Kessler.

                    Yes, he beat Bute but he also lost to Dirrell and Ward.

                    And tbh, I think Bute will stomp him in the rematch.

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                    • 4Corners
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Jack Ruby
                      He was behind in the fight with Taylor and this was a post Pavlik shot Taylor. AA was not rated at SMW. The Pascal fight was razor close, and he lost to Kessler.

                      Yes, he beat Bute but he also lost to Dirrell and Ward.

                      And tbh, I think Bute will stomp him in the rematch.
                      So even though Froch-Kessler was close, you describe that as a clear loss. But yet, when Froch-Pascal was close, you describe that as razor close. And Taylor was past it after Pavlik, but I wouldn't describe his skills as shot to s**t in 2009.

                      Abraham was still a solid/decent win. I like both Ward and Dawson, but I think you put way too much stock in Dawson beating a 47 year old Hopkins, and his rematch wins over Johnson and Tarver.

                      Dawson has the better resume right now, given Ward didn't even start having big fights until 2009. But since late 2009 or so, Ward clearly has the better wins. Johnson was a solid win for Dawson, but his biggest fights prior to fighting Dawson he lost as well. He lost the rematch to Tarver and lost to Woods. I agree Tarver coming off the Woods win was a really good win though.

                      These guys are two of my favorite fighters, looking forward to it. Still wish the fight was at a CW or 175 though.
                      Last edited by 4Corners; 08-26-2012, 06:13 PM.

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