Question about De La Hoya and Marquez.....

[MJ223]

No it's not. He then turns around and calls Calzaghe/Mosley an ATG.

He called Calzaghe one...... Not Mosley..... And just because I happen to agree on a certain subject with another person doesn't mean I agree on them all

[T.Horton]

I guess.... A scoring error couldn't have saved him from the Mayweather decision though

hmm. true - point taken.

[RubenSonny]

and, technically, the first Pacquiao fight. It was a scoring error that benefitted Marquez.

It's not technically anything, it still doesn't make it a clear loss.

[$mannyFresh]

Both points are debatable so you'll be exposed to more than one side of each.

[Barn]

because oscar is feminine and marquez es mas macho.

that's a good point though. i think oscar has probably a top 5 all time rezzy in boxing history.

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[NearHypnos]

Resume wise its hard to beat Oscar and i think he's an atg. He's been at the peak every step of the way. Amateurs, Pro, and post boxing. His only real losses you can say were the Bernard and Shane 1 fight (I had shane in the second but he juiced sooo...). The Trinidad one most dont think he lost. Floyd he was past his by a good deal and the Pac one needs no mention. Well, for me i dont count his losses to floyd and pac against his legacy. No shame in being beat by a great and young (possibly atg) Shane and Bernard (another atg). When you're THAT past your prime...and are the favorite to beat Pac? You know youve done well...


Jmm isnt done yet but the Pac fight has made both of them look well. The only difference is jmM didn fight Oscar and has forged a good career without fighting and beating the golden boy.

[bojangles1987]

Because having an argument for wins over Pacquiao is better than any fighter Oscar has close losses to, especially the third fight. Oscar has nothing to compare to moving up to 147 at the end of his career and arguably beating one of the two best fighters in the world. And some of Oscar's best wins are as controversial as his close losses.

I also think you can just look at the two fighters and see that Marquez was better.

[Hougigo]

ATG for his fighting ability

[boliodogs]

I think a fighter should be rated on his whole prime and not a few close big fights that could be scored either way or a draw. Oscar was the most important fighter in boxing for many years. I don't like Oscar but I think he gets into the all time greats and Marquez is also an all time great.

[Capaedia]

that's a good point though. i think oscar has probably a top 5 all time rezzy in boxing history.

Top 5 in the past 20 years, yes.

All time, not close.

and, technically, the first Pacquiao fight. It was a scoring error that benefitted Marquez.

Many people score that fight in favour of Marquez.

Not a clear loss by any means.