Why CANT Sugar Ray Leonard be the best of all time?

[CubanGuyNYC]

I can't take Babe Ruth as the greatest cause I never seen him also he played in a segregated era so he wasn't playing against the absolute best of the best. But that is your opinion I can respect it.

The bold is the best reason why you shouldn't. We have to understand that most of the time unless we see it with our own eyes we are going off of HIS-story not factual history.

The point isn't that Ruth is the GOAT. It could be Ty Cobb, Josh Gibson, whoever. The point is that you needn't necessarily see someone perform to acknowledge their all-time greatness.

Refusing to consider the greatness of boxers that fought before film was commonplace, or that you never saw yourself for some reason, is like refusing to believe in black holes because you've never actually seen one.

Boxing, like baseball, has a long and rich legacy. Opinions are fine, we all have one. But you have to consider all available evidence when forming an opinion, otherwise your argument is quite hollow.

[Frank Ducketts]

Alts suck if you can pinpoint their owner......

I don't even care if they use them. Just stick by your guns. If a poster thinks Hearns is greater than Leonard, then debate the point. Killing Leonard wont win you points with boxing fans.

[Frank Ducketts]

The point isn't that Ruth is the GOAT. It could be Ty Cobb, Josh Gibson, whoever. The point is that you needn't necessarily see someone perform to acknowledge their all-time greatness.

Refusing to consider the greatness of boxers that fought before film was commonplace, or that you never saw yourself for some reason, is like refusing to believe in black holes because you've never actually seen one.

Boxing, like baseball, has a long and rich legacy. Opinions are fine, we all have one. But you have to consider all available evidence when forming an opinion, otherwise your argument is quite hollow.

Babe played in a segregated league which is why he will never be seen as the greatest by me. But as far as not seeing Babe or any other great, it is common knowledge that someone/many thought that these athletes were great.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Babe played in a segregated league which is why he will never be seen as the greatest by me. But as far as not seeing Babe or any other great, it is common knowledge that someone/many thought that these athletes were great.

And it is precisely because of this that these athletes cannot be overlooked.

I can't personally form a major argument that Robinson was the GOAT, but there are many, far more informed people than can and do. I'm not saying that their combined word should be blindly accepted as gospel. However, in the absence of your own knowledge, their opinions must be regarded as important. Willingly overlooking their educated viewpoints is the worst kind of ignorance.

I have little personal evidence that Einstein was a great genius other than what people commonly know about the man. I’ve never done any independent research on him. My regard for this titan of physics is, like most of us, formed by the opinions of many, far more educated people than myself. Am I to discount their opinions because I don't have enough knowledge about ol' Albert myself? If Bill Gates is the smartest man my mind is independently aware of, does that make Einstein inferior?

[StarshipTrooper]

I personally think Willie Mays is the GOAT baseball player but that's just me.....

Poet

[CubanGuyNYC]

I personally think Willie Mays is the GOAT baseball player but that's just me.....

Poet

A lot of people do. Willie was certainly great enough to argue all day long for. Ruth and Mays are in elite company. There are only a handful of players that can vie for the mantle of GOAT. But who can seriously argue that Alex Rodriguez is the greatest simply because they never saw guys like Ruth, Mays and Cobb play? It's just silly.

[Ray Corso]

Babe Ruth toured the WORLD with all star teams and played against the black major leagers all the time in the off season. Josh Gibson was the black Babe just as Babe was the white Josh!! The only difference is that Ruth could start the game pitching and hit two homers, he still holds records for pitching and during his pitching years had the second best stats in the playoffs and World Series. No one ran on Babe in the outfield, and I'd love to see Barry Bonds play the outfield wearing a Babe Ruth Glove!!! That would be interesting ya think.
Theres so many younger people who dismiss the times that they weren't born in, how ignorant is that!! Research and read about the times and people who came before you especially the trend setters and outstanding performers from those times. If your watching a blk & wht of Sugarman and you can't SEE the talent then you know nothing about what your looking at, simple as that. Todays athletes are bigger, faster, stronger..........but also Dumber!
They don't know their history and often their one dimentional! Ruth could do it all, and did it all! So did the Sugarman, the Greatest Fighter of All Time! Ray

[Frank Ducketts]

And it is precisely because of this that these athletes cannot be overlooked.

I can't personally form a major argument that Robinson was the GOAT, but there are many, far more informed people than can and do. I'm not saying that their combined word should be blindly accepted as gospel. However, in the absence of your own knowledge, their opinions must be regarded as important. Willingly overlooking their educated viewpoints is the worst kind of ignorance.

I have little personal evidence that Einstein was a great genius other than what people commonly know about the man. I’ve never done any independent research on him. My regard for this titan of physics is, like most of us, formed by the opinions of many, far more educated people than myself. Am I to discount their opinions because I don't have enough knowledge about ol' Albert myself? If Bill Gates is the smartest man my mind is independently aware of, does that make Einstein inferior?

So many old posters hate the young generation, and they think that their generation of fighters is above any other.

You have to respect other peoples opinions. Einstein was a genius-fact.

Babe didn't play against colored baseball players in the majors. Not his fault. Black folk mightve read about the Babe, and saw footage, but they don't relate to him because he played in a segregated era.

When your country is predominately black and white, and only white players are playing...no offense, but why would black folk acknowledge the Babe? No offense. Sure Babes stats speak for themselves, but you have to understand why baseball players not black are respected and loved by black folk who played when blacks were finally allowed.

Blacks knew about the Babe, and many thought that they could play with and as good as the Babe, and they thought that they were better than the Babe.

Dempsey and Tunney never fought black fighters.

There were white fighters fighting AND beating black fighters before those two started fighting. I acknowledge those fighters.

[MARKBNLV]

Just cause you lose doesn't mean somebody made you their b!%ch. I mean Leonard fought Duran's fight and it was still very close. Leonard lost but I can't agree with that one.

Now in the pre-fight build up yes Duran made Leonard his b!%ch with all the trash talking he did.

Not to mention Leonard beat him in the rematch and thats what great fighters do they avenge losses in style.

[boliodogs]

There are lots of good videos of Ray Robinson on the internet. Watch them and compare. When comparing fighters of different eras it's all just opinions anyway. No one knows for sure. Study their records and watch films of the other great welterweights.