Comments Thread For: Arum Eyes Mayweather-Pacquiao For April 2013 Date

[The Big Dunn]

Mayweather and Pacquiao are still two of the top 3 fighters in the sport. It's still a huge fight, and will cement the winner as the best of their era, hands down.

They are both past their prime-still good, same as Leonard and Hagler were.

Most people on here would have you believe that Manny has slipped so damn much since 2010 and is on his way to being Roy Jones past it, seriously. That's how dumb and out of control Manny being "past it" has gotten.

Floyd is coming off going up in weight and beating the #1 SWW by a wide decision, and Manny is coming off what should have been a comfortable decision win over a Top 10 P4P and unbeaten fighter.

Sure, Floyd isn't at his absolute prime, but he really hasn't been since 2007 if were being honest here. He's still about the same guy he was against Marquez and Mosley. And Sure, Manny isn't the same fighter he was in 2009, his last prime year, but he's pretty much the same guy he was in 2010. Only difference is he wasn't fighting Clottey, who was a human punching bag that night, or Margarito, who was well past it and stood right in front of him all night. He fought Marquez and Bradley, two fighters who aren't going to just tand there in front of him and willingly get tagged over and over.

It's still a huge fight. I honestly feel some of these posters are just ready to down play this if Floyd beats Manny.

good post. the last few years have illustrated manny's limitations with highly skilled fighters. That said, he still beat both JMM and Tim, IMO. He just hasn't gotten the spectacular KO or beat people up.

People need to see something from manny to make them think he can hangf with floyd. WHen was the last time that happened?

[4Corners]

Well believe it or not, there is a certain air of humility about Pac

So I will speak for what I believe:

Humble or not Pac believes that he is every bit as good a fighter as JR.

His opposition out weighs anything JR has ever thought to achieve.

His going up in weight to continually fight bigger fighters puts JR to shame. For example when Pac went up to fight ODH , BOTH agreed to the weight ,,,,the thing is Pac went way up in weight.

The contrast is JR didn't go up in weight to fight bigger fighters he went down in weight and found a small , wee little super featherweight and made him put on weight, then to top that he cheated on the little guy and paid 600 grand to put on more weight

this is sick ,

I am done talking

The only fights above 135 that have been worth a damn for Manny were Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Bradley. De La Hoya, Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez when he did was s**t, pure s**t. Although you can't knock Manny for fighting Oscar really, even though it was a weight Oscar hadn't made in 8-9 years, because that fight turned him into a mega star. And Manny's LW title was very ehhhhh. At the time, Casamayor and Campbell were the two best LW's, not David Diaz. Still, Diaz was a decent/solid win.

[The Big Dunn]

Originally Posted by Big Dunn
can you please explain how Manny wants this fight when he keeps turning down offers?

we teach our kids that no means no. How come with manny no means yes?

Well believe it or not, there is a certain air of humility about Pac

So I will speak for what I believe:

Humble or not Pac believes that he is every bit as good a fighter as JR.

His opposition out weighs anything JR has ever thought to achieve.

His going up in weight to continually fight bigger fighters puts JR to shame. For example when Pac went up to fight ODH , BOTH agreed to the weight ,,,,the thing is Pac went way up in weight.

The contrast is JR didn't go up in weight to fight bigger fighters he went down in weight and found a small , wee little super featherweight and made him put on weight, then to top that he cheated on the little guy and paid 600 grand to put on more weight

this is sick ,

I am done talking

haha you can't answer the tough questions can you. pivot to something else.

its cool dude. No diehard manny fan on this board can answer it either.

[Bullrider]

Big Dunn and WESS

If Jr really wanted the Pac fight , it was wide open for him to take it but when that day came to take it he took little JMM and cheated on the weight to TOP IT ALL OFF ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WHY ? We all remember there was a clamor from Roach for JR to fight Pac at that time.

How can people forget? Floyd could have fought Manny instead of JMM. I remember Floyd describing Paq as another small fighter and that it's an easy fight, easy money. But for some strange reason, he picked JMM. So the ducking began even before the Clottey\Paq.

[tredh]

The only fights above 135 that have been worth a damn for Manny were Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Bradley. De La Hoya, Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez when he did was s**t, pure s**t. Although you can't knock Manny for fighting Oscar really, even though it was a weight Oscar hadn't made in 8-9 years, because that fight turned him into a mega star. And Manny's LW title was very ehhhhh. At the time, Casamayor and Campbell were the two best LW's, not David Diaz. Still, Diaz was a decent/solid win.

I just can not for the life of me agree with the bold. That was a trash fight and should not have happened. Imagine the hate PBF would have gotten if on his move up to 135 he fought a David Diaz type instead Castillo. That was s#!t fight and that is all there is to it especially with Campbell and Casamayor ready and waiting.

[4Corners]

I just can not for the life of me agree with the bold. That was a trash fight and should not have happened. Imagine the hate PBF would have gotten if on his move up to 135 he fought a David Diaz type instead Castillo. That was s#!t fight and that is all there is to it especially with Campbell and Casamayor ready and waiting.

I'll still say a decent fight. David Diaz was still the #2-3 ranked LW, and hadn't lost in awhile. Pac should have fought Casamayor or Campbell, but he didn't. I'll stick with decent. At least Diaz had beaten Santa Cruz and Morales, though Morales was clearly past his best by 07'.

I'd compare it to Mayweather fighting Gatti. Gatti was still the #1 JWW, behind the RING champ Tszyu. But Gatti was still a decent/solid fight, and was coming off wins over Leija, Branco, and Dorin. A solid/decent win, nothing more or less.

[The Big Dunn]

I just can not for the life of me agree with the bold. That was a trash fight and should not have happened. Imagine the hate PBF would have gotten if on his move up to 135 he fought a David Diaz type instead Castillo. That was s#!t fight and that is all there is to it especially with Campbell and Casamayor ready and waiting.

from a "challenge" perspective I see your point. from a business perspective, the diaz fight was the right choice.

IMO, TR's plan was to get manny multiple titles in different classes and to market him as such. manny was only at 135 to get a belt, hence the Diaz fight.

[tredh]

from a "challenge" perspective I see your point. from a business perspective, the diaz fight was the right choice.

IMO, TR's plan was to get manny multiple titles in different classes and to market him as such. manny was only at 135 to get a belt, hence the Diaz fight.

I get the titles BS as well. But then it goes back to the double standards agruemnt you always bring up. If majority say PBF cherrypicked his whole career was Diaz not a cherrypick as well? Both have taken on lesser challenges for money and famed but only one is lambasted for it for it by fans and the media.

[The Big Dunn]

I get the titles BS as well. But then it goes back to the double standards agruemnt you always bring up. If majority say PBF cherrypicked his whole career was Diaz not a cherrypick as well? Both have taken on lesser challenges for money and famed but only one is lambasted for it for it by fans and the media.

idiotic opinions exspressed daily on this board are not to be taken seriously and are not the majority. it wasn't a great fight, but it served a purpose.

I get your point, and yes it would be nice if each fighters actions are evaluated equally.

[tredh]

idiotic opinions exspressed daily on this board are not to be taken seriously and are not the majority. it wasn't a great fight, but it served a purpose.

I get your point, and yes it would be nice if each fighters actions are evaluated equally.

That is all that is asked for really but we know how that goes