Is the US really no longer a boxing powerhouse?

[Kelly Tillis]

Look at Shaquille O' Neal.............He's a fucking KILLER!!!

Who do ya'll have....Mexican....LOL

[Mr. Fantastic]

I get it, you can't argue with the facts so you would rather troll. Wonder where you picked that technique up from?

How is that trolling? What facts? You have opinions just like me. You don't think they're great and I think they are. Simple.

[Kelly Tillis]

How is that trolling? What facts? You have opinions just like me. You don't think they're great and I think they are. Simple.

Who ya'll got....??

[Mr. Fantastic]

Yeah 50k is an incredible amount.


The British seem to be among the most loyal of nationalities when it comes to boxing.


Outside of Mayweather there is no real American boxer who is a big draw. Who would be the second biggest draw in American boxing? Bradley? Ward? Dawson?

That is something I have always admired about the British people.

[JAB5239]

For those who say the United States is still not a powerhouse in boxing lets do the math according to Ring magazine. Now my final numbers are off by 8, but you will have to excuse me because it is 5am. Here's a breakdown of countries and top 10 fighters represented in every weight class including p4p.

United States 36
Mexico 30
Japan 17
UK 15
Philippines 14
Thailand 7
Russia 6
Germany 5
South Africa 5
Poland 4
Cuba 4
Ukraine 4
Panama 4
Argentina 4
Dominican Republic 3
Puerto Rico 3
Canada 3
Australia 2
Kazakhstan 2
Armenia 2
Nigeria 2
Spain 1
Denmark 1
Malawi 1
Romania 1
Cameroon 1
France 1
Slovenia 1
Uganda 1
Bulgaria 1
Italy 1

Seriously, has the US fallen off that badly considering boxing is now a "world sport" in comparison to the years when communists were not allowed to go pro? Im not a nationalist, Im only responding to the US bait threads I've seen pop up the last few days. Thoughts?

That thread is a pathetic mess of nationalistic baiting, which is all it was designed for. I see very few facts from those arguing against the idea the football and basketballs popularity have hurt boxing in terms of the best athletes entering it. I haven't see anyone bring up college and economic reasons. Someone correct me if Im wrong, but isn't college in Europe free or at least much cheaper than it is here? I know it is very expensive here and boxing is not amongst the sports you can receive scholarship money. From an early age kids are exposed to football and basketball in school. Sports is also the easiest way to an education for those who can't afford it. I know thousands and thousands of scholarships are given out every year for football and basketball. How many are given out for boxing in the US. So its just ridiculous to think that hasn't had an impact on our larger fighters. As the world opens up of course it will gain ground on whoever is in the lead at ANYTHING, that's just how the cookie crumbles. But to think there are no other contributing factors is just ignorance.

As I've already stated the US certainly loses potential boxers to other sports because of the advantages of possibly getting scholarships to better ones self. European countries don't have this problem because it is either free to go to college or cheap enough where most can afford it.

Here is the breakdown of schools allowed to offer athletic scholarships.

Division 1 - There are 50 schools with a total 83 scholarships each.That is 4150 athletes a year.

Division 1AA - There are 111 schools with 63 scholarships each. That is 6993 athletes a year.

Division 2 - There are 282 schools with 63 scholarships each. That is 17,766 athletes a year.

This means The United States keeps almost 30,000 kids looking to get into college every year interested in a sports other than boxing. So that means yes, the talent pool is depleted every single year in the US.

How is that trolling? What facts? You have opinions just like me. You don't think they're great and I think they are. Simple.

Fact, facts and MORE facts. So what do you have besides a trolling picture of a kid crying?

[Mr. Fantastic]

Fact, facts and MORE facts. So what do you have besides a trolling picture of a kid crying?

That still doesn't accurately prove it though. Boxing has been on the decline for decades. I'm not trolling I'm stating my opinion. I still don't see how that is a fact. Like all of them guys are HWs as well.

[JAB5239]

That still doesn't accurately prove it though. Boxing has been on the decline for decades. I'm not trolling I'm stating my opinion. I still don't see how that is a fact. Like all of them guys are HWs as well.

What I posted are ALL facts. You or anyone else here can look them up for yourselves. Instead of addressing one point at a time you've chosen to dismiss it all and say "it still doesn't accurately prove anything". What it proves is you guys make things up rather look things up. It proves you would rather keep your head in the sand than face the reality of the facts presented.

[Mr. Fantastic]

What I posted are ALL facts. You or anyone else here can look them up for yourselves. Instead of addressing one point at a time you've chosen to dismiss it all and say "it still doesn't accurately prove anything". What it proves is you guys make things up rather look things up. It proves you would rather keep your head in the sand than face the reality of the facts presented.

Eventhough they were posted with no link I'll take them as your word but to prove them real with your BELIEF is an opinion. That's just how I see it.

I mean if I really wanted to take the time I could do research on the fluctuation of American champions and post data comparing it but in the end it will just be hrs of my time that I can do something else. Telling this place to like the Klits is like telling a religious fanatic to change their religion.

[JAB5239]

Eventhough they were posted with no link I'll take them as your word but to prove them real with your BELIEF is an opinion. That's just how I see it.

I mean if I really wanted to take the time I could do research on the fluctuation of American champions and post data comparing it but in the end it will just be hrs of my time that I can do something else. Telling this place to like the Klits is like telling a religious fanatic to change their religion.

In other words you're to lazy to look up the facts I've provided and not bright enough to argue against them. It's ok, Im not mad at you, you're still my boy.

[Mr. Fantastic]

In other words you're to lazy to look up the facts I've provided and not bright enough to argue against them. It's ok, Im not mad at you, you're still my boy.

I'm not lazy...that shit takes hrs man and I actually want to enjoy my days off.