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  • MokMok
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    #11
    Guzman sadly is done.

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    • Bushbaby
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      #12
      I'm sorry Guzman, but it's not the fighters fault. You were on the rise once, but you needed mc donalds & burger king when you should have took the sort seriously. Now you have to get in where you fit in. Your name isn't ginger. Only he gets handouts. The business of boxing, sorry son.

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      • JakeNDaBox
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        #13
        Originally posted by Guamar
        This writer compares Guzman to Rios and suggests that Guzman is somehow being treated more harshly, but their situations aren't exactly comparable if you ask me. Rios failed to make weight by half a pound and a couple of pounds against Murray and Abril, attempted to drain himself in order to make weight, and fought on despite being weakened. (BIG PROPS to Murray and Abril for going through with those fights against a heavier opponent rather than pulling out, which they had every right to do).
        However, in the case of Guzman, he came in overweight against Campbell and PULLED OUT of that fight despite Campbell's willingness to face him (Campbell was broke and lost out on the paycheck). He came in NINE pounds over the limit against Funeka in their rematch and CHEATED in his fight against Davis (while still coming in overweight on top of it). Despite all that, he's back in line for a title shot just three fights after his suspension (while facing fringe opposition). The writer concludes by stating that the industry is very unforgiving, but it seems pretty damn forgiving if you ask me, ha ha. Excuse me for not shedding a tear over Guzman's lack of professionalism.
        Not sure I agree on Rios. Yes, he legit tried to make weight for the Murray fight. Abril? Not so much, at least not to the degree you suggest.

        For Abril, he was actually two pounds over the limit, then came back two pounds HEAVIER when "attempting" to make weight on his second attempt.

        The Herrera fight was scrapped (and never rescheduled) due to injury less than a month before the fight. I'll stop short of saying I don't believe it. I will say that a lot of Left Coast writers are on record saying he didn't look like a guy who was training for a 140 lb. fight.

        As for Guzman being in line for a title shot despite past woes and recent modest competition... that's not necessarily the industry. That's the flaws of the sanctioning bodies. But he's always had problems getting fights, even while he was with Golden Boy. The only fights he got were against guys nobody else really jumped at the chance to face

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        • Kagami Taiga
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          #14
          Originally posted by JakeNDaBox
          Not sure I agree on Rios. Yes, he legit tried to make weight for the Murray fight. Abril? Not so much, at least not to the degree you suggest.

          For Abril, he was actually two pounds over the limit, then came back two pounds HEAVIER when "attempting" to make weight on his second attempt.

          The Herrera fight was scrapped (and never rescheduled) due to injury less than a month before the fight. I'll stop short of saying I don't believe it. I will say that a lot of Left Coast writers are on record saying he didn't look like a guy who was training for a 140 lb. fight.

          As for Guzman being in line for a title shot despite past woes and recent modest competition... that's not necessarily the industry. That's the flaws of the sanctioning bodies. But he's always had problems getting fights, even while he was with Golden Boy. The only fights he got were against guys nobody else really jumped at the chance to face
          Good post. The Rios thing is mind boggling. I dunno how anyone thinks he's much better than Guzman with weight. He knew he couldn't make weight for the abril fight there's no wat he didn't. Anyways guzman will probably continue to struggle to find fights because simplyput, he's a tough fight for every fighter in that division. He may have lost a step.or two but I think he still has enough to be a legit titlist

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          • v.cassiusali@ya
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            #15
            the thing is the ballerina has no drawing power...or the least is done...why not try to join chicken floyd promotions? chicken floyd might give him a damn...

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            • illpapi
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              #16
              Originally posted by v.cassiusali@ya
              the thing is the ballerina has no drawing power...or the least is done...why not try to join chicken floyd promotions? chicken floyd might give him a damn...
              Might give him a damn? Is this even English? Anyhow, stop with he is a runner...just cuz you can't hit him doesn't make him a runner. Once and for all its part of boxing!

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              • JakeNDaBox
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                #17
                Originally posted by v.cassiusali@ya
                the thing is the ballerina has no drawing power...or the least is done...why not try to join chicken floyd promotions? chicken floyd might give him a damn...
                He's signed with Acquinity Sports. Fitty and Money only pursue free agents.

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                • nycsmooth
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                  #18
                  inactivity & a name that doesn't draws the prob...2 bad he can't make '35 but @ '40 his challangers are as tuf, say, as WBC's...

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                  • Light_Speed
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Guamar
                    This writer compares Guzman to Rios and suggests that Guzman is somehow being treated more harshly, but their situations aren't exactly comparable if you ask me. Rios failed to make weight by half a pound and a couple of pounds against Murray and Abril, attempted to drain himself in order to make weight, and fought on despite being weakened. (BIG PROPS to Murray and Abril for going through with those fights against a heavier opponent rather than pulling out, which they had every right to do).
                    However, in the case of Guzman, he came in overweight against Campbell and PULLED OUT of that fight despite Campbell's willingness to face him (Campbell was broke and lost out on the paycheck). He came in NINE pounds over the limit against Funeka in their rematch and CHEATED in his fight against Davis (while still coming in overweight on top of it). Despite all that, he's back in line for a title shot just three fights after his suspension (while facing fringe opposition). The writer concludes by stating that the industry is very unforgiving, but it seems pretty damn forgiving if you ask me, ha ha. Excuse me for not shedding a tear over Guzman's lack of professionalism.
                    Good point, those other fighters also failed to make weight but they at least showed up and fought. Guzman pulling out of the Campbell fight was like spitting in the face of the fans and the network. I understand why he's blacklisted.

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                    • Guamar
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by JakeNDaBox
                      Not sure I agree on Rios. Yes, he legit tried to make weight for the Murray fight. Abril? Not so much, at least not to the degree you suggest.

                      For Abril, he was actually two pounds over the limit, then came back two pounds HEAVIER when "attempting" to make weight on his second attempt.

                      The Herrera fight was scrapped (and never rescheduled) due to injury less than a month before the fight. I'll stop short of saying I don't believe it. I will say that a lot of Left Coast writers are on record saying he didn't look like a guy who was training for a 140 lb. fight.

                      As for Guzman being in line for a title shot despite past woes and recent modest competition... that's not necessarily the industry. That's the flaws of the sanctioning bodies. But he's always had problems getting fights, even while he was with Golden Boy. The only fights he got were against guys nobody else really jumped at the chance to face
                      There's no doubt that both Rios and Guzman have behaved unprofessionally in the past. There's also no doubt that Guzman's antics, including his drug use, have been worse. The biggest backlash he suffered through it all was his suspension, and again, he has no one else to blame for that but himself. Given his track record, and the fact that he hasn't faced anyone of note since his return, he should consider himself lucky to be given yet another major opportunity. So again, I fail to see how he's somehow getting the short end of the stick here. If the world of boxing were truly fair, honest and harworking guys like Matthysse and Alvarado would be given that opportunity instead of him. Let's hope he doesn't find yet another way of screwing things up, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did.

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