Comments Thread For: Antonio Margarito on His Retirement, Wraps Scandal

[El Angel]

Why would anyone use used hand wraps going into a fight? The red on the wrap is clear evidence he wore in the ring before or trained with it. It is debatable as to whether he knew, although I have my own opinion based on how he's reacted to questions on the subject and the evidence. Are people really saying he didn't have anything in his gloves at all for the Mosley fight? The CSAC just had the hearing, suspended him, and his trainer for life just to make it up and get Margarito in trouble? Not buying it.

[socalrican01]

This dude is still feeling guilty about packing his gloves , getting caught , getting investigated , being found guilty , his trainer getting a lifetime ban, He a 1 year suspension... 3 ass whoopings that lead to an early retirement and he still in the news looking for attention. Desperate plea for his promotion company to get recognition... I smell suicide if his promotion company fails. ... I hate to say it but he is ruined and he knows it. To all his fans, even in 2012 people still think the earth is flat.

[edgarg]

Lol. You just proved my point. Think about it! If they needed a microscope to find plaster do you really think there was enough plaster to form a cast. Have you ever. Worked with plaster? You don't need a microscope to figure out what your using. Microscope lol.

My uncle was a dentist long ago, and always took his own gum impressions and made the dentures as well. The sort of thing a dental mechanic does today. He'd first make a mould of the upper and lower gum and teeth with plaster-of-paris. It had to be fairly thick, before tapering down to the gum line or it would crack. In fact from time to time they did crack if handled carelessly.

[messenger]

Cheating is cheating. When you do it you risk losing everything good you acomplished. Margarito's legacy will alway be questioned because he got caught, even if he didn't do it all his career, we will never know.

[BartBears]

To those that think Margarito was given a raw deal I ask you this:
What possible motivation would the CSAC have to give him a raw deal if they had no conclusive evidence? It is widely accepted that Arum and Top Rank have as much influence as anybody so its not like he didn't have the right promoter.
Not only that but he lost the Mosley fight. Its not like he won in a controversial matter that the CSAC had to make up for a wrong. So what do you think motivated them to go after Margarito?

What motivated them? Oscar DLH, he didin't want to fight Margo and wanted to get rid of him.

[CHOWWOKKA]

What motivated them? Oscar DLH, he didin't want to fight Margo and wanted to get rid of him.

Then why didn't Margarito ever say " nothing fell out of my gloves, Richardson was lying"

Why did Margo leave his trainer of 10 years if this was all just a hoax...

+++Why am I posting to a dumb troll?

[BartBears]

I'm sorry to disagree with you but the ESPN report is not evidence. The judgement document specifically said that there were TRACES found. Traces means tiny particles. AND there was NO plaster. That there were traces of 2 components of plaster-of-paris means bugger-all. The same components are used in a wide variety of cosmetic products, generally not in traces but IN QUANTITY. They are nutrients as well, and are used in many food supplements.

Anyway the Commission enquiry found that he was unaware of the used pads but the trainer was banned for life. After the huge fuss and outcry by those who didn't know what they were talking about, they had to nail someone down, and the trainer took the whole responsibility, so he was the obvious choice. It was really a storm in-a-teacup-and all over a couple of thin used gauze pads, which, if they'd ever been a bit stiff would have softened after the first punch. That was amply proven when they duplicated the process detailed by Jack Kearns.

In case you don't know, and I;m sure you don't, he was Jack Dempsey's manager, who, near the end of his life, and when he needed money badly, sold an interview (maybe a book, can't recall) in which he said that before the Jess Willard fight, he'd sprinkled plaster-of-paris on Dempsey's bandages and dipped his hands in a bucket of water so that they hardened as they dried. Cleveland Williams was the tester, and after hardening the bandages in a low oven, to simulate the hot temperature at the fight, and then put gloves on. They crumbled back to powder with the first punch on the heavy bag. Nat Fleisher wrote it up as did other boxing writers all of whom were present at the test. They concluded that plastered bandages were far too thin to act as any kind of weapon. It just couldn't happen. This was in 1950. I'm sure it's somewhere on the Internet. There's a little bit of boxing history for you-gratis.

So I've never believed all the crap, neither did Arum, which is why he knew he was innocent. He's a Harvard Summa Cum Laude and a top judge of character as well.

Very well said Edgarg. Glad to see someone using common sense here. I know it was all set up by DLH and Arum knew what's up.

[BartBears]

For those requesting evidence:







Margarito didn't even appeal his suspension. The only question left is whether he knew what was going on, he's a pro boxer of significant experience, it's reasonable to imply he knew.

I see a piece of gauze, that's all. Where is that hard BLOCK that supposedly felt out the wraps?

[Da Boxer]

Here is a link to the ACTUAL Hearing legal document, investigation, technical examination, scientific findings of the Antonio Margarito investigation.

It's over 80 pages long and it outlines every aspect of what took place.

Margarito Hearing

You could do a search where I broke it down and outlined the fact:

Found GUILTY on a court of law!

Some quotes of interest:

FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL HISTORY

Petitioner Antonio Margarito (hereinafter "Petitioner"), was a professional boxer licensed by the California State Athletic Commission (hereinafter "Commission") having originally.been licensed on or about January 1, 2009. On January 24,2009, Petitioner was scheduled to participate in a Commission sanctioned, professional welterweight championship boxing match at the Staples Center located in Los Angeles, California.

Prior to the fight, Petitioner's trainer, Mr. Javier Capetillo, wrapped Petitioner's fists in anticipation of placing boxing gloves over his hands. After wrapping Petitioner's right hand, trainer Capetillo then began wrapping Petitioner's left hand.

As trainer Capetillo was wrapping Petitioner's left hand, Commission inspectors were directed by opponent boxer "Sugar" Shane Mosley's trainer to Petitioner's fist wraps where they observed what they determined was a foreign and therefore illegal material inside the "knuckle pad," a collection of gauze wrapped over itselfto create a pad, on Petitioner's hand. Whereupon, Commission inspectors subsequently examined Petitioner's right knuckle pad, and determined that this pad also contained a foreign and therefore illegal material. The inspectors took physical possession of both knuckle pads, and ordered trainer Capetillo to prepare new pads in their presence.

In said Decision, the Commission found Mr. Margarito's claims that he was unaware ofthe foreign and illegal substance found in his fist wraps and that it was entirely the fault ofhis trainer, to not be credible.

In short, by assuming no responsibility or knowledge of wrongdoing, Petitioner's testimony at the hearing was evasive, inherently improbable, in most respects, and, in certain specific instances, disingenuous in the extreme.

Equally disturbing is the fact that not only was Mr. Margarito's testimony simply unconvincing (claiming that as an experienced, professional boxer ofmany years he had no way of knowing that something other than mere gauze wrappings and tape was being applied to his fist wraps underneath his gloves) his denials strained credulity.

STANDARDS
Commission Rule 323 mandates that tape and gauze under a boxer's gloves be limited to:

One winding of surgeon's adhesive tape, not over one and one-half inches wide, placed directly on the hand to protect that part of the hand near the wrist Said tape may cross the back of the hand twice but shall not extend within one inch of the knuckles when hand is clenched to make a fist.
Contestants shall use soft surgical bandage not over two inches wide, held in place by not more than two yards of surgeon's adhesive tape for each hand. One 10-yard roll of bandage shall complete the wrappings for each hand.
Bandages shall be adjusted in the dressing room in the presence of a commission representative and both contestants. Either contestant may waive his privilege of witnessing the bandaging of his opponent's hands.

Similarly, Rule 390 states:

.Any licensee who violates the laws of the State of California, with the exception of minor traffic violations, or the rules of the Athletic Commission, or who fails or refuses to comply with a valid order of a commission representative, or who conducts himself or herself at any time or place in a manner which is deemed by the commission to reflect discredit to boxing, may have his or her license revoked, or may be fined, suspended or otherwise disciplined in such manner as the commission may direct.

....and so on.

[mex602]

Pac/Marg 24/7 truth... enjoy

Lmao!!!!!!!!!