Comments Thread For: Antonio Margarito on His Retirement, Wraps Scandal

[El Angel]

Max Kellerman: "Antonio, you've said to me before in the past that you didn't feel anything in your wraps in the Mosley fight. If that's true, how would you know if you had illegal wraps against Miguel?"

Miguel Cotto cracks a smile.

Antonio Margarito: "You simply couldn't have used it because you would have felt it.

Quickly point to iPad to change topic. He's clearly lying. Idk how anyone can believe him. Either he knew he had loaded gloves going against Mosley and was fine with it, or he has no idea that they were loaded or not. He claims he can feel it. Fucking cheater.

[Derranged]

He may of tried to cheat. I don't deny that.

All you did huh? I told you I was going to put you on ignore cause you kept bothering me over the same shit after I told you over and over.


Ripped Fuel huh!??!?!? I guess you should believe the hand cream for Margarito then?

I was just repeating what I heard. To be honest, I don't recall the Jones "steroid" scandal that well.

[edgarg]

Show me some proof that he cheated? ANY proof please......

There isn't any actual proof that Margarito cheated. I've read all the documents about the matter and also the official Commission report which discussed the penalties. They found Margarito NOT to blame, what they actually said was that they found he did not know that there was anything in his wraps. But they found, that because he was "the head of his team" ,that he had to be penalised. They gave him their "smallest allowable penalty". I also read elsewhere a commission member's description. He said that several of the Commission wanted there to be no penalty and it led to a big discussion.

The evidence given by the first Commission member to handle the item said that it was "a little stiff in spots as if it had been wet at some time"...

To conclude, there was lots of yap by guys like Richardson, who began by saying that it was like blocks of plaster-like substance, and others said that it was a brick. Such loads of loose crap, I'd never have believed it. The accusations that he'd previously been doing this foul deed have to consider that we've generally seen him when the gloves are taken off, and his wraps look perfectly normal. And he's never hidden them. He's shaken hands with them on.

In truth, the actual items were gauze pads which had been used before, instead of new pads. That was the only difference. Oh yes, they had "traces" of 2 components of plaster-of-paris (the vital component wasn't there), which means they had to find them with lab equipment. The same components are *******ly used all over the world to make cosmetics and other non threatening items............That's it. That's why Arum backed him. Arum took an action against the Commission to make them show that anything in the pads could cause human damage. They didn't contest it.

But these ****** crap-head hound-dogs prefer to slaver and sniff......There's millions of them, mostly new posters, probably the sweepings of the East Side B.....

[-roy-]

Bye Margo!

[edgarg]

Are you serious? Naazim confirmed it was a hard insert in the wraps. The thing was bagged for evidence, examined and confirmed as a plaster parish substance that hardens when it gets wet. You are totally bugging or haven't followed the ordeal. Don't call people out if you don't know the facts or what went down.

Grustler you're hustling again.....You printed that quote out of context and had to have done it deliberately. If you'd completed the sentence you'd have added .."but who the hell will want to watch it"

[edgarg]

Of course Margarito was supposed to hurt Pac, he outweighed him by like 20lbs and towered over the guy...and he STILL got his a$$ whooped. So much for Margarito's so-called "brute power" as Arum once said.

He was 5 lbs heavier at the weigh-in, he put on another 12 lbs or so, mostly liquids, and Pacquiao weighed about 150, probably also liquids. Margarito was a lifetime welterweight and never had any trouble making weight.

[thegonzo]

Cotto stans are going to wait till he goes to sleep or wait till it's only one of us posting. Their habits are so predictable.


Also, watch how they turn from CSI detectives into chemist.

...wait didn't I put you in your place earlier? You called me a kid and said you were going back to your real life...but here you are once again riding Margacheata's d!^ck once again...I guess this is your "real" life trololololol...lame prick....

[edgarg]

Margarito career really ended after his fight with Pacquiao. Marg received so much damage in that fight that he had to have the opinion of 5 different ophtalmologist and finally the last one contributed to the state of denial that Marg lived duing 13 months (elapsed time between Pac's and Cotto fight). Bob Arum spent a lot of money not only paying the Dr. providing the false illusion of "getting better" for Tony but also in getting the license for the fight at MSG (which was in a brink of being cancelled). Going to the second fight with Cotto, Marg was a handicapped individual who was going to be under extreme scrutiny (as it happened) and it was easy to guess that the fight would be stopped easily (even a 140 or 147 pound boxer could have got the kind of swealling in the damage eye). After Marg's wraps incident against Mosley, some people started to especulate that he probably have used them in the past (which really continues being especulation). Miguel declared that he never would fight again vs. Marg because he didn't want to give a "cheater" the opportunity of making money with him. However, somehow after learning about the big handicap of Marg, Miguel decided to face him again (forgetting his pledge to not allowing a 'criminal' to get money). Cotto also said in numerous occasions that he was going to target that eye and with that he acknowledged the huge advantage that he was having. Leaving alone the false especulation of the wraps, it was obvious that Miguel came to the second fight with a different plan (not only targetting an already damaged eye) but also without allowiing himself to be standing close to the ropes (where Marg had the chance to get him). When the fight was stopped Marg hadn't landed even half of the power punches he did in the first fight (many came mainly in rounds 10-11 in 2007) and there was some damage in Miguel's face suggesting that if Cotto's plan has been the same than before he probably had experienced more punishment. At the end of the fight, Cotto was asked if he felt any difference in Marg's punches and Miguel honestly responded that the difference was the preparation and the strategy/plan that his cuban trainer put into effect. Marg finally has come to accept that his days as boxer are over since every time he could go into a ring would be in enormous disadvantage with that kind of lesion around his eye. There was a report around 2010 where it was estimated that his net worth was around 13 million (USD) mainly coming from investments in restaurants and properties.

You've described it far better than I could have. Absolutely correct !

[Slyboots]

Lol. You just proved my point. Think about it! If they needed a microscope to find plaster do you really think there was enough plaster to form a cast. Have you ever. Worked with plaster? You don't need a microscope to figure out what your using. Microscope lol.

Because you need a microscope to see what type of elements were on the wrap. The human eye doesn't have microscopic vision to detect the substance and determine what elements are in it, you dunce.

I'm really baffled at how people just can't accept he cheated. It's disputable whether he knew about it or not (though only Marg d1ckriders would think he didn't), but there is concrete evidence he had loaded gloves going into the Mosley fight before it was caught.

[edgarg]

For those requesting evidence:







Margarito didn't even appeal his suspension. The only question left is whether he knew what was going on, he's a pro boxer of significant experience, it's reasonable to imply he knew.

I'm sorry to disagree with you but the ESPN report is not evidence. The judgement document specifically said that there were TRACES found. Traces means tiny particles. AND there was NO plaster. That there were traces of 2 components of plaster-of-paris means bugger-all. The same components are used in a wide variety of cosmetic products, generally not in traces but IN QUANTITY. They are nutrients as well, and are used in many food supplements.

Anyway the Commission enquiry found that he was unaware of the used pads but the trainer was banned for life. After the huge fuss and outcry by those who didn't know what they were talking about, they had to nail someone down, and the trainer took the whole responsibility, so he was the obvious choice. It was really a storm in-a-teacup-and all over a couple of thin used gauze pads, which, if they'd ever been a bit stiff would have softened after the first punch. That was amply proven when they duplicated the process detailed by Jack Kearns.

In case you don't know, and I;m sure you don't, he was Jack Dempsey's manager, who, near the end of his life, and when he needed money badly, sold an interview (maybe a book, can't recall) in which he said that before the Jess Willard fight, he'd sprinkled plaster-of-paris on Dempsey's bandages and dipped his hands in a bucket of water so that they hardened as they dried. Cleveland Williams was the tester, and after hardening the bandages in a low oven, to simulate the hot temperature at the fight, and then put gloves on. They crumbled back to powder with the first punch on the heavy bag. Nat Fleisher wrote it up as did other boxing writers all of whom were present at the test. They concluded that plastered bandages were far too thin to act as any kind of weapon. It just couldn't happen. This was in 1950. I'm sure it's somewhere on the Internet. There's a little bit of boxing history for you-gratis.

So I've never believed all the crap, neither did Arum, which is why he knew he was innocent. He's a Harvard Summa Cum Laude and a top judge of character as well.